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Re: Some questions regarding people's thoughts on the Crisis
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2025, 09:17:57 AM »
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    Many Trads will reject V2 on the grounds that it teaches that we worship the same God as Jews and Muslims. There is a sense in which that's true however. We all claim to worship the one God, and in the sense that Jews and Muslims are monotheists, we do worship the same God. However, they have not reached the fully correct understanding of God( that He is Trinity in Unity) In that sense we can say that we do not worship the same God- but the vast majority of even Novus Ordo priests I know would hold this position. With the exception of extremely liberal clergy who are very few in number, almost no one claims that our understanding of who God is is exactly the same as that of Jews and Muslims.
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    Banez, Jesus already explained that those who reject Him (Jesus) do not worship God, the Father. Rather, they worship Satan:

    See John 8:41-44.

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    They said therefore to him: We are not born of fornication: we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus therefore said to them: If God were your Father, you would indeed love me. For from God I proceeded, and came; for I came not of myself, but he sent me: 43 Why do you not know my speech? Because you cannot hear my word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.

    Therefore, the Jews already tried that "same God" trick 2000 years ago, and Jesus explained the Truth of the matter.

    Nostra Aetate introduces the same error. And only the "Trads" are not fooled by it. The False Prophets of the Counterfeit Church fall all over themselves erasing the differences between Catholics and the Jews.

    They hold prayer meetings and  Seder meals with Rabbis.

    They also hold Ramadan dinners with Muslims, giving the impression that our religious differences don't really matter.

    This is Freemasonic indifferentism. And it is the key to understanding the End Times apostasy. The people still call themselves Catholics but the concept has been emptied of its substance. Just like the Jews who Jesus was talking to, the false Catholics don't follow the actual words of Jesus. They are nicer and more enlightened and more diplomatic. They think they improve upon the example of Jesus.

    And no one is being forced to go along with this apostasy. Those who call themselves Catholics freely choose it because they care more about human respect than respect for Jesus Christ.



    Offline Michelle

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    Re: Some questions regarding people's thoughts on the Crisis
    « Reply #16 on: September 10, 2025, 09:20:48 AM »
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  • What is the issue with interpreting Vatican 2 in the light of Tradition?(or in different ways)

    "Woe to those who call evil good"

    Just call it what it is. 


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    Re: Some questions regarding people's thoughts on the Crisis
    « Reply #17 on: September 10, 2025, 09:39:52 AM »
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    A Catholic's duty is to interpret the solemn texts according to the Church's own understanding of those texts. The Church's own understanding of Vatican 2--under the hypothesis that the Novus Ordo Hierarchy is the Catholic Church's hierarchy-- is the liberal interpretation.

    See the problem?

    Precisely.  Who's "the Church"?  V2 papal claimants have clearly explained their interpretation of the V2 teachings, and it's not the same that the Trads have.

    Of course, there are things that are simply irreconcilable, and the entire theologicla framework is not Catholic.

    V2 needs to be scrapped completely.

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    Re: Some questions regarding people's thoughts on the Crisis
    « Reply #18 on: September 12, 2025, 06:50:30 AM »
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  • Catholics do not "interpret" the teaching of the Church. The Church teaches clearly. Catholics believe what is taught. Vatican II is not Catholic doctrine. Catholics do not say I must somehow "interpret" this to make it Catholic. No, they say I do not believe this and reject it.

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    Re: Some questions regarding people's thoughts on the Crisis
    « Reply #19 on: September 12, 2025, 08:23:29 AM »
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  • But again, what's wrong with accepting V2 as long as it's interpreted traditionally?(which it can be)

    Simple answer:
     
    Because the de-sacralized new Mass was promulgated by a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, lying & murdering jew.


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