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Society Faithful Living in Perpetual Sin Cut Off From Grace
« on: April 02, 2010, 06:16:56 PM »
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  • Found this gem on a popular Neo-Cath web site. I just love stuff like this.

    I saw a line at a Society Chapel of penitents starting at one side, toward the front of the church, wrapped around, all across the back, and up the other side to the front of the church for Good Friday confessions. The most I've EVER seen in any line for confession in my life.

    I looked at my local N.O. Parish church listing for Good Friday confession times. NONE. They did have a "Life-Teen" Way of the Cross though. (I shudder at the thought)

    But according to the Novus Ordite Pharisees, every single penitent at that Society Chapel left the confessional with their sins still on their souls while the two or three Novus Ordites who bother with Saturday confession are forgiven.

    Unbelievable...

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    The SSPX priests are currently suspended
    which is why they cannot validly hear confessions unless the penitent is at the point of death.

    Response by: m134e5

    Having never been to one, I don't know how SSPX chapels work- if the people who go to them also go to them for confessions (which, again, are invalid- because they could go somewhere else), then chances are many people there have not been receiving valid confessions in a while. Mortal sin removes all sanctifying grace (holiness) from the soul, and only a valid confession or perfect contrition can restore it. I'm sure the absence of that Sacrament has a big effect on things.

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    « Reply #1 on: April 02, 2010, 07:13:20 PM »
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    I'm sure the absence of that Sacrament has a big effect on things.


    And we can certainly see the fruits of sacramental grace in the novus ordo, right friend?  


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    « Reply #2 on: April 02, 2010, 09:19:55 PM »
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  • It's a case of a rationalized antinomianism leading to a lighter softer legalism that says:

    "Hey look at us, no one goes to confession anymore, they don't need it, look how holy we are. Lifeteen has made my children saints. The new Springtime has finally come! Sin no longer exists and we don't believe in it either!"

    Of-course it never did dawn on these "good" NO folks, that if you actually want to avoid mortal sin, grow in holiness, and get to heaven without spending time in purgatory, it's a good idea to confess venial sins which many of us "over-scrupulous" Trads do.

    Pray for me, always.

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    « Reply #3 on: April 02, 2010, 10:40:18 PM »
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  • I was just sent this private message on the Neo Cath forum.

    I'm speechless as to the "metaphysical certitude" and confused as to why this person attends SSPX Masses religiously yet thinks these same priests are sending souls to Hell with invalid confesions.

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    To suggest that SSPX confession are valid is irresponsible in the extreme. I can tell you with absolute metaphysical certitude that their confessions are NOT valid at this time. No absolution will result. If Salza said otherwise, he's simply wrong.

    Go to an SSPX confession if you must. Put your own salvation at risk if you want. But when you post something like that on an open forum there is the risk that someone may RELY on it and not seek a valid confession when they really NEED one. Not good.

    Before you respond to this, pls have a look at my posts. I'm no friend of the OF. Anaheim Convention Ctr is in the same diocese where I normally attend EF mass. Believe me when I tell you, those modernists were behind enemy lines.

    I will not pass up an opportunity to attend Holy Mass and receive the Blessed Sacrament at an SSPX chapel. There are three chapels in SoCal and I have received at each. Six day ago I received Palms and Holy Communication from one of their formerly excom's Bishop. I have his pic on my cellphone and his autograph in my Angelus Missal. I spoke with him personally. He knows that there are many SSPX faithful who "cover" their confession with a diocesan confession. No problem. Nothing personal. Just a prudent thing to do at the moment.

    I have been a Catholic since birth and was trained as an altar server in pre-V2-TLM. I attend my first Easter Tritium Liturgies in SSPX chapels in 2009. I was so moved that I now use part of the Renewal of Baptismal Promises in my CA signature. Once the Society is regularized, I will be the first in line for Sacrament of Pennence.

    Last night, I assisted the liturgy of the Last Supper at OLN. I was there when the bells were rung for the last time and Fr. W stripped the altar. I will be there for the Easter Vigil when at midnight-sharp, he will intone Gloria in Excelsis Deo, and those same bells will announce the Resurrection of Our Lord.

    Pax.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 02, 2010, 11:10:14 PM »
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    I can tell you with absolute metaphysical certitude that their confessions are NOT valid at this time.


    StevusMagnus, do you realize you've been talking with God?  What is His screen name?  

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    "I will be the first in line for Sacrament of Pennence..."


    This guy has been a Catholic since before VII and he's not even in the ballpark when it comes to spelling "penance" ( speaking of ballparks, maybe he is thinking of a pennant ).   Yet he is sure SSPX confessions are not valid.

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    "To suggest that SSPX confessions are valid is irresponsible in the extreme."


    No matter where you stand on the spectrum, someone will tell you you are leading souls astray.  I'd say that argument, or means of persuasion, has run its course.  
    As I was a new convert when posting here, my posts are often full of error, even unwitting heresy and rash judgment, all of which I renounce, and all my writings are best avoided -- MDLS


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    « Reply #5 on: April 02, 2010, 11:13:26 PM »
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  • I made a joke about how he'd discovered a new element because of "Easter Tritium."  Then I looked it up on the Internet and found a bunch of people who also spelled it Tritium, so I thought that it might be legitimate.  But of course it isn't.
    As I was a new convert when posting here, my posts are often full of error, even unwitting heresy and rash judgment, all of which I renounce, and all my writings are best avoided -- MDLS

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    « Reply #6 on: April 02, 2010, 11:18:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
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    I can tell you with absolute metaphysical certitude that their confessions are NOT valid at this time.


    StevusMagnus, do you realize you've been talking with God?  What is His screen name?


    LOL! Good one, Raoul. ;)

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    « Reply #7 on: April 03, 2010, 01:53:05 PM »
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  • Moving personal testimony on CAF.

    There are some good souls over there!

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    I went to see Bp. Fellay give a conference. He spoke for the fastest three hours I have ever sat listening to one man speak. I could hear his lovely accented English in the few lines given by Numealinesimpet. Gentle firmness. He is a rock with a friendly, utterly disarming smile. That's no argument. But considering he is supposed to be like Luther, it is very unexpected.

    I gave Bp. Williamson a ride to the airport once. I had all these questions I was going to ask. The whole way though, he kept me busy answering questions about Mt. St. Helens (the volcano very near where I live which blew off most of its top in 1980) to which he would respond with a genuinely curious, almost child-like interest, to go visit it. One of the regrets in my life is in forgetting to kiss his ring and ask for his blessing as I dropped him at the curb.

    So I am biased. I love even beleaguered Bp. Williamson. The priests I have met are among the warmest, funniest, intelligent, well-read, and well-balanced men it has been my pleasure to know. On this forum, it has occasionally grieved and frustrated me to hear some of the seemingly dry, cold, and rigorously legalistic arguments for why we are separated from God's grace because of these technicalities about jurisdiction. In the end, we all want to save our souls. I am convinced that I am doing the best thing for me and my family.

    My youngest boy, just turned 18, hopes to be able to enter the seminary next year. Would he be considering a possible vocation if I had decided that he needed to remain an altar boy at a Nouvs Ordo parish where one of the priests admonished him for genuflecting before the Tabernacle? This priest didn't bow. He did a head bob. And that was the limit of reverence he wanted his altar servers to show to Christ the King in the Blessed Sacrament. My boy was 13 then.

    How many parents have children who never discovered a vocation, not because they weren't drawn to Traditional spirituality, but because they were rigorously obedient to legal technicalities that are antithetical to the salvation of souls. How many more parents have children who aren't even in the faith now after being forced to "bob their heads" at the Sacrament until they could bolt for skepticism after they were teens?

    I am grateful for this thread and for the long and patient work of Numealinesimpet in particular. Thank you to you and all of those who have vigorously opposed "technical legalism". I have no malice toward those who think our difficult times can be solved by simple, absolute obedience to wolves in the guise of shepherds. I do not mean the Holy Father as a wolf. No, he is the one who asked us to pray that he would be saved from these canine bishops who have no intention of obedience to him; who probably don't even believe in the doctrines of the papacy in Vatican I, never minding Vatican II.

    May the good God have mercy on all of us who seek to unite ourselves to God's will, that His, not our wills would be done. May well-meaning Catholics who love Pope Benedict everywhere join hands in opposition to the smoke of Satan and the smouldering, sulphuric darkness which has invaded the sanctuaries of our Holy Mother Church.

    I pray for a renewed vigor of faith, hope, and charity with prudence and obedience in the Mystical Body of Christ this Easter Season. Though the Immaculate Heart of our Blessed Mother,


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    « Reply #8 on: April 03, 2010, 10:40:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    I made a joke about how he'd discovered a new element because of "Easter Tritium."  Then I looked it up on the Internet and found a bunch of people who also spelled it Tritium, so I thought that it might be legitimate.  But of course it isn't.


    Yup, tritium is a great element. I use it in all my firearms currently, which I will defend mine and my family's lives in the impending riots of the end of times, or those before them.

    MMMM Tritium!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritium_illumination

     

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