Author Topic: So You Decided To Become A Sedevacantist (Read 51058 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #215 on:** May 21, 2015, 12:21:11 PM »

Quote from: Amakusa

It is simple...

There is a distinction between error and heresy.

You've got this all wrong. Just because the bishops did not DEFINE any heresy infallibly does not mean that in the docuмents of Vatican II they did not fallibly teach something that's heretical (based on previous definition). Just because they did not define NEW heresy doesn't mean they didn't "embrace" OLD heresy.

Amakusa · « **Reply #216 on:** May 21, 2015, 01:23:04 PM »

No, it is impossible because bishops in a general council are protected against collective heresy.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #217 on:** May 21, 2015, 01:26:07 PM »

Quote from: Amakusa

No, it is impossible because bishops in a general council are protected against collective heresy.

I actually agree with this. Except that it has nothing to do with infallibility per se.

Amakusa · « **Reply #218 on:** May 21, 2015, 01:44:55 PM »

I don't know if you have understood what I have said.

When a doctrine is taught as something "de fide", it is a heresy, not a mere error. Therefore, if one says that Vatican II has defined freedom of religion, one says that bishops have taught collective heresy...

Even Gallicans admitted that bishops could not teach altogether an error as something "de fide", namely a heresy.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #219 on:** May 21, 2015, 01:49:58 PM »

Quote from: Amakusa

When a doctrine is taught as something "de fide", it is a heresy, not a mere error.

I know what you are saying, but your logic is completely backwards. I'll get back to this some other time.