Author Topic: Raoul76 vs. Una cuм. (Read 2703 times)

Prodinoscopus · « **Reply #15 on:** June 25, 2009, 02:28:24 PM »

Sorry for the double-post ... thus increasing my ridiculously high per-day output.

Dawn · « **Reply #16 on:** June 25, 2009, 02:33:07 PM »

http://www.traditioninaction.org/

This site for one has much docuмentation on the modern popes bowing to false religions. And before you jump at them, the are resist them to the facers not sedes.

So, you will read the articles, look at the pictures and what does that do? Nothing.

Hmm, sad indeed that an encyclical should make one pause, I hope it is in wonder and not confusion?

Caminus · « **Reply #17 on:** June 25, 2009, 02:48:03 PM »

Dawn, you've got a serious definition/language problem. You're actually the one mired in confusion about even basic concepts. If you cannot cite an explicit example where he is literally worshipping idols then you need to retract it. And before you accuse people of being "Hegelians" I would strongly suggest you A.) Understand what Hegelianism is and B.) make darn sure that you are applying it appropriately to those with whom you disagree. I'm starting to lose my patience with you and Raoul. You are bound to exercise caution and restraint; you are bound by the laws of reason, charity and justice.

Its okay to just say "I don't know" with regard to the Pope. Its okay to admit that you are in WAY over your head. It is better that you mind your own business and sanctify your own soul and tend to your duties of state. The same goes for Raoul and any other person that feels he needs to venture an opinion. Heck, Raoul just admitted that he was a neo-pagan in the not too distant past, yet he feels he can jump in with both feet and start making bold pronouncements regarding the Catholic faith. Rashness, pure rashness.

Dawn · « **Reply #18 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:12:10 PM »

Caminus.I did give a link, to Tradition in Action, and they have docuмented many photos/instances of both John Paul II and Benedict XVI. I do not have time to link each on. Go there and see.They are not sede, they are Resist to the Facers.
Worship and idol like fall down in front of a golden calf? Not exactly, but still recognizing false religions.

http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/ChurchRevIndex.htm

http://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_000_Index.htm

http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/hottopics.html The last link has some lovely pictures including the now famous one of John Paul kissing the Quaran.

Here is a link where they are docuмenting the dreadful treatment of the underground Church in China

http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f000TradIssuesIndex.html#trad

as I said, I picked this site because they are NOT sede.

And, I do know what hegelian double-minded thinking is. It is what John Paul and Benedict practice.

Dawn · « **Reply #19 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:29:40 PM »

CM · « **Reply #20 on:** June 25, 2009, 11:21:35 PM »

I looked at Dawn's link for less than 10 minutes and found all sorts of apostasy. You really have to be bad willed not to see the reality that these men are antipopes.

By the way- Benedict XV was the first in the line, don't you know?

Prodinoscopus · « **Reply #21 on:** June 25, 2009, 11:31:41 PM »

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I looked at Dawn's link for less than 10 minutes and found all sorts of apostasy.

I asked Dawn to supply a specific point of evidence, she sends a whole article filled with all kinds of assertions. That's not what I call supplying evidence. If you've read the article, why don't you give us five examples of literal apostasy.

Direct quotes from Benedict XVI, please, not interpretations by Dr. Droleskey.

Remember, the point of this discussion is to identify real evidence that Benedict XVI himself worships false idols. That's what being an idolater means, you know.

Go ahead. The burden of proof is on you.

DeMaistre · « **Reply #22 on:** June 25, 2009, 11:42:54 PM »

Quote from: Prodinoscopus

Quote from: Catholic Martyr
I looked at Dawn's link for less than 10 minutes and found all sorts of apostasy.

I asked Dawn to supply a specific point of evidence, she sends a whole article filled with all kinds of assertions. That's not what I call supplying evidence. If you've read the article, why don't you give us five examples of literal apostasy.

Direct quotes from Benedict XVI, please, not interpretations by Dr. Droleskey.

Remember, the point of this discussion is to identify real evidence that Benedict XVI himself worships false idols. That's what being an idolater means, you know.

Go ahead. The burden of proof is on you.

Maybe he doesn't worship idols. Maybe Dawn mispoke. But the fact is, if I was a outsider looking in, Benedict XVI praying towards Mecca alongside Mohammedans, inside a mosque, facing towards Mecca, in the same position as the Muslims, I think it would be safe to say "He's a Muslim".

Prodinoscopus · « **Reply #23 on:** June 26, 2009, 12:10:07 AM »

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Quote from: Catholic Martyr
I looked at Dawn's link for less than 10 minutes and found all sorts of apostasy.

I asked Dawn to supply a specific point of evidence, she sends a whole article filled with all kinds of assertions. That's not what I call supplying evidence. If you've read the article, why don't you give us five examples of literal apostasy.

Direct quotes from Benedict XVI, please, not interpretations by Dr. Droleskey.

Remember, the point of this discussion is to identify real evidence that Benedict XVI himself worships false idols. That's what being an idolater means, you know.

Go ahead. The burden of proof is on you.

Maybe he doesn't worship idols. Maybe Dawn mispoke. But the fact is, if I was a outsider looking in, Benedict XVI praying towards Mecca alongside Mohammedans, inside a mosque, facing towards Mecca, in the same position as the Muslims, I think it would be safe to say "He's a Muslim".

You're right. That's why that behavior is a scandal, not apostasy.

The fact is that Dawn and Raoul76 are not outsiders looking in.

"Maybe he doesn't worship idols." That's generous. How about admitting that there is not a shred of real evidence anywhere that Benedict XVI worships idols. Earlier in this thread, Raoul76 referred to Benedict XVI as an "idolator". It's not the first time. Raoul76 needs to retract that calumny and Dawn needs to apologize for her support of it.

Prodinoscopus · « **Reply #24 on:** June 26, 2009, 12:23:37 AM »

While we're at it, Raoul76 also referred to Benedict XVI (including him by implication in the term "the Popes") as a Judaizer. That's not quite as serious a calumny as calling Benedict XVI an idolator, yet it is still not quite accurate. A "Judaizer" (in the scriptural and historical sense) is someone who says that Catholics must adopt Jєωιѕн practices and follow Temple regulations in order to be saved. Benedict XVI doesn't really do that. He comes very close to it, though, by expecting Catholics to adhere to the Shoah dogma.

DeMaistre · « **Reply #25 on:** June 26, 2009, 12:48:56 AM »

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Quote from: Catholic Martyr
I looked at Dawn's link for less than 10 minutes and found all sorts of apostasy.

I asked Dawn to supply a specific point of evidence, she sends a whole article filled with all kinds of assertions. That's not what I call supplying evidence. If you've read the article, why don't you give us five examples of literal apostasy.

Direct quotes from Benedict XVI, please, not interpretations by Dr. Droleskey.

Remember, the point of this discussion is to identify real evidence that Benedict XVI himself worships false idols. That's what being an idolater means, you know.

Go ahead. The burden of proof is on you.

Maybe he doesn't worship idols. Maybe Dawn mispoke. But the fact is, if I was a outsider looking in, Benedict XVI praying towards Mecca alongside Mohammedans, inside a mosque, facing towards Mecca, in the same position as the Muslims, I think it would be safe to say "He's a Muslim".

You're right. That's why that behavior is a scandal, not apostasy.

The fact is that Dawn and Raoul76 are not outsiders looking in.

"Maybe he doesn't worship idols." That's generous. How about admitting that there is not a shred of real evidence anywhere that Benedict XVI worships idols. Earlier in this thread, Raoul76 referred to Benedict XVI as an "idolator". It's not the first time. Raoul76 needs to retract that calumny and Dawn needs to apologize for her support of it.

No, I think that Assisi amounts to apostasy.

CM · « **Reply #26 on:** June 26, 2009, 01:08:51 AM »

Of course.

Caminus · « **Reply #27 on:** June 26, 2009, 02:34:31 AM »

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Quote from: Prodinoscopus
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Quote from: Prodinoscopus
Quote from: Catholic Martyr
I looked at Dawn's link for less than 10 minutes and found all sorts of apostasy.

I asked Dawn to supply a specific point of evidence, she sends a whole article filled with all kinds of assertions. That's not what I call supplying evidence. If you've read the article, why don't you give us five examples of literal apostasy.

Direct quotes from Benedict XVI, please, not interpretations by Dr. Droleskey.

Remember, the point of this discussion is to identify real evidence that Benedict XVI himself worships false idols. That's what being an idolater means, you know.

Go ahead. The burden of proof is on you.

Maybe he doesn't worship idols. Maybe Dawn mispoke. But the fact is, if I was a outsider looking in, Benedict XVI praying towards Mecca alongside Mohammedans, inside a mosque, facing towards Mecca, in the same position as the Muslims, I think it would be safe to say "He's a Muslim".

You're right. That's why that behavior is a scandal, not apostasy.

The fact is that Dawn and Raoul76 are not outsiders looking in.

"Maybe he doesn't worship idols." That's generous. How about admitting that there is not a shred of real evidence anywhere that Benedict XVI worships idols. Earlier in this thread, Raoul76 referred to Benedict XVI as an "idolator". It's not the first time. Raoul76 needs to retract that calumny and Dawn needs to apologize for her support of it.

No, I think that Assisi amounts to apostasy.

It amounts to something, but not apostasy. Now if John Paul actually adopted one of those religions and practiced it as a profession of faith, then yes, that would be apostasy. Your "interpretive apostasy" amounts to a false accusation. Drolesky begs us to indulge his conclusions without providing hard evidence by way of reasoned discourse. Sorry, but I won't "fill in the gaps" with my imagination. If "sedes" want support, they're gonna have to start raising their intellectual standards.

Caminus · « **Reply #28 on:** June 26, 2009, 02:36:18 AM »

I invite any sedevacantist on here to engage these topics. Pick your best and brightest and send them my way. I'd be glad to discuss the matter. Gerry Matatics? Silence. Fr. Cekada? Silence. Who will step up and defend their positions?

Prodinoscopus · « **Reply #29 on:** June 26, 2009, 11:13:48 AM »

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Quote from: DeMaistre
No, I think that Assisi amounts to apostasy.

It amounts to something, but not apostasy. Now if John Paul actually adopted one of those religions and practiced it as a profession of faith, then yes, that would be apostasy. Your "interpretive apostasy" amounts to a false accusation. Drolesky begs us to indulge his conclusions without providing hard evidence by way of reasoned discourse. Sorry, but I won't "fill in the gaps" with my imagination. If "sedes" want support, they're gonna have to start raising their intellectual standards.

Exactly right. These folks don't even understand the meaning of the terms that they so carelessly throw around.

Bearing false witness is a mortal sin.

Enough is enough. This debate has become a total waste of time.