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Offline poche

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Re: So...I heard a no say
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2017, 05:57:10 AM »
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    • According to St Patrick this is where he was from;

    I am Patrick, a sinner, most unlearned, the least of all the faithful, and utterly despised by many. My father was Calpornius, a deacon, son of Potitus, a priest, of the village Bannavem Taburniæ; he had a country seat nearby, and there I was taken captive. 

    http://www.catholicplanet.com/ebooks/Confession-of-St-Patrick.pdf
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    Re: So...I heard a no say
    « Reply #16 on: March 20, 2017, 05:09:21 PM »
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    •  posted by BumphreyHobart
    "You should look it up "

    I DID look it up!  And long before Ms. K.I.A trumpeted her skewed "history" throughout the store. 
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    posted by poche
    "According to St Patrick this is where he was from;

    I am Patrick, a sinner, most unlearned, the least of all the faithful, and utterly despised by many. My father was Calpornius, a deacon, son of Potitus, a priest, of the village Bannavem Taburniæ; he had a country seat nearby, and there I was taken captive." 

    Some people are so fast to criticize.  Sheeze!  I did not say I didn't already know the history.  And the history does not make St. Patrick an Italian.  Rome occupied Britain in the 5th century and from BRITAIN was he kidnapped. 

    BTW, thanks to poche.
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    Re: So...I heard a no say
    « Reply #17 on: March 21, 2017, 11:56:24 AM »
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    • My understanding is that both of St Patrick's parents were born in ITALY.... :ready-to-eat:
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    Re: So...I heard a no say
    « Reply #18 on: March 21, 2017, 12:14:32 PM »
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    • My 'saint of the day' book said that St Patrick was born in France.  His uncle on his mother's side was St Martin of Tours.  Nice catholic lineage there.
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    Re: So...I heard a no say
    « Reply #19 on: March 21, 2017, 12:36:52 PM »
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    • Doesn't sound accurate to moi.. :sleep:
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    Re: So...I heard a no say
    « Reply #20 on: March 21, 2017, 12:52:25 PM »
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    • http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/st-patrick-may-have-been-from-brittany-not-britain-1.1575923

    This article suggests that historians are open to the fact that he was born in Britanny - which is modern day France.  Most historians say he was born in Britain - which is modern day Scotland/Wales.  There's not many who think Italy. 
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    Re: So...I heard a no say
    « Reply #21 on: March 21, 2017, 01:10:42 PM »
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    • My understanding is that St Patrick was born in Scotland of TWO Roman parents who were born in ITALY...

    I would imagine that this info can be found in Fr Parsons Studies In Church History vol 1

    I am not in possession of this vol at present.   :ready-to-eat:
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    Re: So...I heard a no say
    « Reply #22 on: March 22, 2017, 12:10:21 AM »
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    • "I am Patrick, a sinner, most unlearned, the least of all the faithful, and utterly despised by many."

    He may have been all that back then, but presently, I hold this title.   :)
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    Re: So...I heard a no say
    « Reply #23 on: March 22, 2017, 07:07:22 AM »
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    • From one of my saint's books......

    Saint Patrick, the glorious apostle of Ireland, was born in France, in the year 387. His father was an official of the roman government. His mother's brother was Saint Martin, Bishop of Tours. When Saint Patrick was almost sixteen years old, he was captured by pirates and brought to Ireland, where he met the people that would one day be his spiritual children. Saint Patrick was miraculously freed, and returned to France. He was sent back to Ireland as a bishop by Saint Celestine, the Pope.

    Saint Patrick's most noted spiritual daughter in Ireland was Saint Bridget, called the “Mary of the Gael”.

    Saint Patrick drove all the snakes - symbols of the devil - out of Ireland. He raised 33 persons from the dead. By making the sign of the cross, he caused the earth to swallow up a heathen who mocked the virginity of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
     
    Saint Patrick's charioteer, Saint Odran, was martyred in place of him by some Celtic heathens.
    Saint Patrick was one hundred and six years old when he died.
    Saint Patrick, Saint Bridget and Saint Columbkille are all buried together and are the patron saints of Ireland.
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    Re: So...I heard a no say
    « Reply #24 on: March 22, 2017, 08:22:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on March 18, 2017, 03:36:18 PM
    Ignoramus said:  

    Wrong! There was no Italy and no Italians when Patrick was born. St. Patrick was born in Scotland of a Roman citizen. And so he was a Roman, which is altogether a different thing from Italian.

    There cannot be an up-to-date dispensation about eating meat on a Friday because it is already optional, right?
    If what we know of St. Patrick's birth is correct, then he was born in Roman Britain, that part of the Roman Empire that extended to what is now the United Kingdom.  So St. Patrick was not an "Italian."  He was instead a Roman citizen.  Civis Romanus sum.  This is an important distinction.  The Roman Empire in the 5th century was quite large.  
    I also believe St. Patrick's grandfather was from an area in cuмbria or perhaps near Scotland or Wales.  So, while, St. Patrick was indeed a Roman citizen, he was not a citizen of Rome, Italy.  
    Italy as a country did not stretch from Antioch through Africa, out through Spain, and up into Britain.  However, the Roman Empire did.  That is the distinction. 
    St. Patrick was not Italian.  He was a Roman, a citizen of the Empire in the 5th Century, born and living in Roman Britain until his abduction by the Irish.  
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    Re: So...I heard a no say
    « Reply #25 on: March 23, 2017, 12:00:09 AM »
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    • My understanding is that San Patrico's parents were born in Italy and migrated to Scotland as Roman citizens. This makes the saint both Roman and Italian. :ready-to-eat:
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    Re: So...I heard a no say
    « Reply #26 on: March 23, 2017, 12:18:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: roscoe on March 23, 2017, 12:00:09 AM
    My understanding is that San Patricio's parents were born in Italy and migrated to Scotland as Roman citizens. This makes the saint both Roman and Italian. :ready-to-eat:
    Probably his Mum was born in Pannonia, where her brother St Martin was born. Pannonia was a Roman province located over the territory of the present-day western Hungary, eastern Austria, northern Croatia, north-western Serbia, northern Slovenia, western Slovakia and northern Bosnia and Herzegovina. 
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    Re: So...I heard a no say
    « Reply #27 on: March 23, 2017, 11:41:44 AM »
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    •  :laugh1:
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    Re: So...I heard a no say
    « Reply #28 on: March 25, 2017, 10:00:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Spera in Deo on March 20, 2017, 05:09:21 PM
    posted by BumphreyHobart
    "You should look it up "

    I DID look it up!  And long before Ms. K.I.A trumpeted her skewed "history" throughout the store.
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    posted by poche
    "According to St Patrick this is where he was from;

    I am Patrick, a sinner, most unlearned, the least of all the faithful, and utterly despised by many. My father was Calpornius, a deacon, son of Potitus, a priest, of the village Bannavem Taburniæ; he had a country seat nearby, and there I was taken captive."

    Some people are so fast to criticize.  Sheeze!  I did not say I didn't already know the history.  And the history does not make St. Patrick an Italian.  Rome occupied Britain in the 5th century and from BRITAIN was he kidnapped.


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    Re: So...I heard a no say
    « Reply #29 on: March 25, 2017, 11:15:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Spera in Deo on March 20, 2017, 05:09:21 PM
    posted by BumphreyHobart
    "You should look it up "

    I DID look it up!  And long before Ms. K.I.A trumpeted her skewed "history" throughout the store.
    See next quote

    posted by poche
    "According to St Patrick this is where he was from;

    I am Patrick, a sinner, most unlearned, the least of all the faithful, and utterly despised by many. My father was Calpornius, a deacon, son of Potitus, a priest, of the village Bannavem Taburniæ; he had a country seat nearby, and there I was taken captive."

    Some people are so fast to criticize.  Sheeze!  I did not say I didn't already know the history.  And the history does not make St. Patrick an Italian.  Rome occupied Britain in the 5th century and from BRITAIN was he kidnapped.

    BTW, thanks to poche.
    Not very accurate research as J Caesar was in Britain going after Druids even in pre- christian times. In the first century AD another Roman incursion had more success and by the second century, there was to be found a faction of Roman Catholics in Britain. London is a Roman city.
    St Patrick doesn't convert Ireland for another 3-4 hundred yrs.
    Acc to Fr Parsons V1( Imprimateur Pope Leo XIII)
    " Probably born, certainly brought up, near Boulogne-sur-Mer ( Bonavea Tubernaie say the Confessions), in France....."
    He is silent  re: the origin or ethnicity of his parents. :cheers:
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