Author Topic: So...I heard a no say (Read 2646 times)

Spera in Deo · « **on:** March 18, 2017, 08:38:14 AM »

Yesterday, St. Patrick's Day, I'm in a meeting at work, when someone mentions St. Patrick. A n/o I work with, (who knows EVERYTHING Catholic - just ask her :rolleyes:) says to the group, "You know St. Patrick was an Italian, right?" Because her remark was a religious comment, it was immediately ignored and spoken over by the supervisor conducting the meeting.
Later, in the lunch room, she informed everyone that the Bishop of the Diocese gave a special dispensation to the churches in our diocese to eat "whatever they want, meat, of course, since it St. Paddy's day and all". She then called me out and said, "except YOU aren't a part of our Diocese are you, so I guess that's why you are eating that Micky D's fish sandwich" I ignored her and continued eating.
I want to set this P.I.A. straight on EVERYTHING, but I can't because I know myself, and I will just go off like a double barreled shotgun and, maybe, eat HER for lunch!!
The point of this post is to show just how poorly catechized, read and disinterested in their so-called faith, these people are and how they, apparently, have no interest whatsoever in finding out the truth about anything.
Sheeple!
Thanks for listening. I feel better just expressing.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #1 on:** March 18, 2017, 09:15:29 AM »

Well, Saint Patrick was Roman, and dispensations do only apply to those who are residents of the diocese or who are properly traveling to the diocese (I think there's a technical term for it in canon law that I don't remember, but simply visiting a neighboring diocese doesn't make one able to avail themselves of local dispensations).

So she wasn't poorly catechized, though she does seem like a busy-body, although judging by your reaction it sounds like you could give her a run for her money, couldn't you? :)

BumphreyHogart · « **Reply #2 on:** March 18, 2017, 10:58:29 AM »

Quote from: Spera in Deo

Yesterday, St. Patrick's Day, I'm in a meeting at work, when someone mentions St. Patrick. A n/o I work with, (who knows EVERYTHING Catholic - just ask her :rolleyes:) says to the group, "You know St. Patrick was an Italian, right?" Because her remark was a religious comment, it was immediately ignored and spoken over by the supervisor conducting the meeting.
Later, in the lunch room, she informed everyone that the Bishop of the Diocese gave a special dispensation to the churches in our diocese to eat "whatever they want, meat, of course, since it St. Paddy's day and all". She then called me out and said, "except YOU aren't a part of our Diocese are you, so I guess that's why you are eating that Micky D's fish sandwich" I ignored her and continued eating.
I want to set this P.I.A. straight on EVERYTHING, but I can't because I know myself, and I will just go off like a double barreled shotgun and, maybe, eat HER for lunch!!
The point of this post is to show just how poorly catechized, read and disinterested in their so-called faith, these people are and how they, apparently, have no interest whatsoever in finding out the truth about anything.
Sheeple!
Thanks for listening. I feel better just expressing.

Circuмstances like this should make you plan for a future similar situation so that you can say something.

St. Patrick was Roman, but that doesn't necessarily mean he was of Italian ancestry. You should look it up.

I believe the dispensation is a standing, customary one, not something renewed each year. Find out for sure when it was first introduced (which I am sure was before Vatican II) and answer next time that it is a standing custom by law for the longest time, and applies to any Catholic living in the territory. You are a Catholic living in that territory so it applies to me. If she turns and becomes aggressive against your being a traditionalist, just say, "Is this really the place to discuss this right now?"

AMDGJMJ · « **Reply #3 on:** March 18, 2017, 03:03:09 PM »

Quote from: Spera in Deo

Yesterday, St. Patrick's Day, I'm in a meeting at work, when someone mentions St. Patrick. A n/o I work with, (who knows EVERYTHING Catholic - just ask her :rolleyes:) says to the group, "You know St. Patrick was an Italian, right?" Because her remark was a religious comment, it was immediately ignored and spoken over by the supervisor conducting the meeting.
Later, in the lunch room, she informed everyone that the Bishop of the Diocese gave a special dispensation to the churches in our diocese to eat "whatever they want, meat, of course, since it St. Paddy's day and all". She then called me out and said, "except YOU aren't a part of our Diocese are you, so I guess that's why you are eating that Micky D's fish sandwich" I ignored her and continued eating.
I want to set this P.I.A. straight on EVERYTHING, but I can't because I know myself, and I will just go off like a double barreled shotgun and, maybe, eat HER for lunch!!
The point of this post is to show just how poorly catechized, read and disinterested in their so-called faith, these people are and how they, apparently, have no interest whatsoever in finding out the truth about anything.
Sheeple!
Thanks for listening. I feel better just expressing.

I believe that there is some sort of dispensation that was given to all the Catholics in America (prior to Vatican II) for eating meat on Saint Patrick's Feast Day if it falls on a Friday. Yet, I don't remember all of the details, and I forgot to check the bulletin on Sunday about it...

I was sick Friday and couldn't eat much anyhow... ;-)

Nadir · « **Reply #4 on:** March 18, 2017, 03:36:18 PM »

Ignoramus said:

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"You know St. Patrick was an Italian, right?"

Wrong! There was no Italy and no Italians when Patrick was born. St. Patrick was born in Scotland of a Roman citizen. And so he was a Roman, which is altogether a different thing from Italian.

There cannot be an up-to-date dispensation about eating meat on a Friday because it is already optional, right?

Emitte Lucem Tuam · « **Reply #5 on:** March 18, 2017, 04:09:41 PM »

I think this "kerfluffer" boils down to this in today's 21st century traditional Catholicism:
An indulgence WAS granted, in specific dioceses, by specific bishops, BEFORE Vatican II.
These specific bishops are (supposedly) dead by now, so do their specific indulgences apply to today's 21st century traditional Catholics? (I, personally, think NOT).
Do the 21st century, Novus Ordo "bishops", have the power to grant ANY type of Catholic indulgence, when it comes to eliminating the Catholic Lenten fast/abstinence? ( I, personally, think NOT). Adhering to the traditional Lenten fast/abstinence, BEFORE any Catholic bishop or NOVUS ORDO "bishop" gives a dispensation, is the most salutory way of keeping the Lenten fast/abstinence rule. A dispensation doesn't mean it's obligatory to ANYONE to contravene the Church's law regarding fast and abstinence during Lent.

roscoe · « **Reply #6 on:** March 18, 2017, 04:50:34 PM »

Quote from: Nadir

Ignoramus said:
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"You know St. Patrick was an Italian, right?"

Wrong! There was no Italy and no Italians when Patrick was born. St. Patrick was born in Scotland of a Roman citizen. And so he was a Roman, which is altogether a different thing from Italian.

There cannot be an up-to-date dispensation about eating meat on a Friday because it is already optional, right?

It is not true that 'there was no Italy and no Italians' when St Patrick was born to TWO Roman citizens.

Being a Roman is definitely NOT 'altogether different' than being an Italian although they may not be exactly the same. Italy( which is probably a corruption of Atlas) existed even before a few surviving Trojans arrived there as did the Latin language.

:reporter:

BumphreyHogart · « **Reply #7 on:** March 18, 2017, 04:54:27 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

Quote from: Nadir
Ignoramus said:
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"You know St. Patrick was an Italian, right?"

Wrong! There was no Italy and no Italians when Patrick was born. St. Patrick was born in Scotland of a Roman citizen. And so he was a Roman, which is altogether a different thing from Italian.

There cannot be an up-to-date dispensation about eating meat on a Friday because it is already optional, right?

It is not true that 'there was no Italy and no Italians' when St Patrick was born to TWO Roman citizens.

Being a Roman is definitely NOT 'altogether different' than being an Italian. Italy( which is probably a corruption of Atlas) existed even before a few surviving Trojans arrived there as did the Latin language.

:reporter:

There's no such thing as an Italian!

Right, roscoe?

roscoe · « **Reply #8 on:** March 18, 2017, 05:30:27 PM »

:confused1:

roscoe · « **Reply #9 on:** March 18, 2017, 05:53:10 PM »

Any piece of paper claiming that Fr Feeney was called to Rome or ex-communicated for not complying is a Fraud....

Conclusion--- There is No Such Thing as Feeneyism...

BumphreyHogart · « **Reply #10 on:** March 18, 2017, 05:55:00 PM »

roscoe doesn't exist. :roll-laugh2:

roscoe · « **Reply #11 on:** March 18, 2017, 06:04:54 PM »

No one is forcing you to read my posts.... :roll-laugh1:

BumphreyHogart · « **Reply #12 on:** March 18, 2017, 06:09:45 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

No one is forcing you to read my posts.... :roll-laugh1:

Nobody is. :roll-laugh1:

Nadir · « **Reply #13 on:** March 18, 2017, 08:03:56 PM »

Roscoe said:

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St Patrick was born to TWO Roman citizens.

Well we know that St Patrick's Dad was a Roman citizen; I'd be genuinely interested in knowing if his Mum was also. Have you got some more information or source on that?

roscoe · « **Reply #14 on:** March 18, 2017, 09:55:44 PM »

I can't recall the source but will try and think of it. :ready-to-eat: