SJB, based on what you have stated below, can you provide an approved source that explains Vatican II and its aftermath the way you do?

Stubborn, you can't find a catechism nor theologian that explains things the way you "understand" it, yet you freely dismiss everybody else. Now you want us to believe the official catechisms are not approved sources.

The thing to notice with you and bowler is that you dismiss every source and provide none of your own. You can't find a catechism nor theologian that explains things the way you "understand" it, yet you freely dismiss everybody else.

You've done nothing to address the real issues here, one of which is your inability to produce any authority that EXPLAINS things the way you do. You reject every source provided to you. ALL catechisms and theologians are wrong and you are correct.

Do I condemn ALL the known catechisms and theological manuals in favor of my own opinion (you have never produced any approved source that EXPLAINS things the way you "understand" them)?

No, the approved sources are the docuмentation.

I've given you the docuмentation. You've rejected it in favor of your own interpretations, like a typical liberal Catholic.

SJB, you may have missed this...

I believe so...

What is the original problem?

If he is a sedevacantist what interpretation of Vatican II does he have wrong? Wouldn't he de facto and de jure reject Vatican II  :drillsergeant: .

Whatever it is just let me know, I am down for it  :farmer: .

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Is SJB a sedevacantist?

I hope so, he is too smart to be otherwise!

Most "smart" people tend to be stupid on what really matters and when it really matters.

Well than, happy that God didn't make me smart, I'd rather have common sense any day to be honest with you.  

I do recall in school, students that were friends of mine, and very smart, high grades and all, but couldn't make a decision.  I think it is because they are so smart that life seems so complicated to them.  

The reality is that with religious things it's all about bad will and dishonesty.

How many countless "geniuses" are atheists? Or Protestants etc.?

My cousin graduated summa cuм laude from university, and yet she is a novus ordo apostate.

I have explained to her the simplest things again and again and she still doesn't get it.

Are these people lacking intelligence? Of course not. The Faith is simple.

What it is is bad will and dishonesty. Cowardice too. They are afraid to break up with all their "friends" and family members. They are afraid of what "they will say" and how other people will look at them. They put the people before and above God.

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SJB, based on what you have stated below, can you provide an approved source that explains Vatican II and its aftermath the way you do?

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Stubborn, you can't find a catechism nor theologian that explains things the way you "understand" it, yet you freely dismiss everybody else. Now you want us to believe the official catechisms are not approved sources.

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The thing to notice with you and bowler is that you dismiss every source and provide none of your own. You can't find a catechism nor theologian that explains things the way you "understand" it, yet you freely dismiss everybody else.

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You've done nothing to address the real issues here, one of which is your inability to produce any authority that EXPLAINS things the way you do. You reject every source provided to you. ALL catechisms and theologians are wrong and you are correct.

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Do I condemn ALL the known catechisms and theological manuals in favor of my own opinion (you have never produced any approved source that EXPLAINS things the way you "understand" them)?

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No, the approved sources are the docuмentation.

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I've given you the docuмentation. You've rejected it in favor of your own interpretations, like a typical liberal Catholic.

Bump - give it a shot.

People are waiting...

Thanks for compiling all of those unanswered requests. The truth is that you and yours need to answer these questions and provide your sources or be silent.

As far as your comparison goes, "Vatican II" isn't a doctrine taught in all the catechisms and by all of the Church teaching, it is an event with an aftermath that is clearly in dispute.

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As far as your comparison goes, "Vatican II" isn't a doctrine taught in all the catechisms and by all of the Church teaching, it is an event with an aftermath that is clearly in dispute.

Nonsense. Vatican II teachings are in all the modern catechisms. All the approved theologians went along with it.

It's clear you have no sources that explains your position.

I have sources that explain the Church's teaching on the necessity of the sacrament of Baptism. You have provided none.

Vatican II isn't a doctrine explained by the Church. What you're tying to do is equate the crisis of Vatican II with an imagined "crisis of BOD." You have failed.