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Re: Sister Lucy investigation results are in!
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2018, 05:23:45 PM »
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  • Does the technology take into account the aging of the person? I've never heard of any technology that can be 100% definitive because that obstacle is always in the way. 


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    Re: Sister Lucy investigation results are in!
    « Reply #2 on: August 01, 2018, 08:27:30 PM »
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  • I never focused much on the possibility that there was a fake Lucia.  For those that have, what does this mean for the Novus Ordo?  The story of Fatima?
    If any one saith, that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs, which the Catholic Church makes use of in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety, rather than offices of piety; let him be anathema. - Council of Trent

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    Re: Sister Lucy investigation results are in!
    « Reply #3 on: August 01, 2018, 08:40:32 PM »
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  • Is this finding surprising to anyone?  Except for poche, of course.

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    Re: Sister Lucy investigation results are in!
    « Reply #4 on: August 01, 2018, 09:34:42 PM »
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  • I never focused much on the possibility that there was a fake Lucia.  For those that have, what does this mean for the Novus Ordo?  The story of Fatima?
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    Some will blame sedes for the division in this topic but I think that's not entirely fair.
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    From the standpoint of defending Tradition, sedes and other trads (sedes are trads IMHO) are on the same side of this, opposed to Novus Ordo lies and pretension. From our standpoint, it looks bad for the Newchurch leaders who have now been accused of perpetrating an elaborate hoax. The implications are far-reaching. In order for Newchurch to have perpetrated this hoax, they had to meticulously plan events such that the truth could be suppressed, most likely using Communist tactics, I.E., this is an example of the "errors of Russia" put into practice where it counts.
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    As for the story of Fatima, it would seem the larger topic is the Message of Fatima, because it's not just a "story." 
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    Regarding the Message of Fatima, now all the purported writings and quotes of Sr. Lucia after the key date (when would that be, 1958?) must be set aside and viewed with great scrutiny since they might be fake too, that is, they might not be what she said or wrote but what they would have led us to believe she said or wrote.
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    Re: Sister Lucy investigation results are in!
    « Reply #5 on: August 01, 2018, 10:43:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: Third secret/Wikipedia
    And we saw in an immense light that is God: 'something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White 'we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions.

    The Council of Trent (In nomine sancte) says that the Faith is a shield against the fire arrows of the devil. The credo is a shield against heresy.

    The main part of the third secret shows a section of a very long procession of Catholics of all ranks (practically the whole Church) in a mirror, who seem to voluntarly go to have themselves killed by firearms and arrows. I'd say: have themselves spiritually killed by heresy.

    Sure, the rest of the text calls them martyrs which would destroy this interpretation. But the text may be manipulated. Some even think that a "fourth secret" has not been published. Why then should the published text not be manipulated? The scans on the vatican page have a low spatial resolution and have one bit per pixel. A simple program like MS-Paint is enough to manipulate it. Also, the lines on the paper appear perfectly horizontal on the scans, with an exact linewidth of one pixel, not a single pixel deviating from the pixel raster, and each next line again perfectly obeying the raster.

    I think, the published vision of a massacre of the Church does not give any impression of martyrs. To me it appears more like a dismal or gloomy vision, whereas martyrdom has a heroic and hopefull aspect. Finally, that's what is happening before our eyes: Not a bloody real massacre, not martyrs, but the exact opposite: A Church which voluntarily has herself spiritually killed by fire arrows and poison darts.

    Plus: Do Fatimites not all suspect that the true third or the fourth secret says: Vatican II will kill the Church?

    Now, I do suspect that the late Sister Lúcia may have been fake. But then: To fake a Sister Lúcia is prank compared to staging Vatican II. And why would anyone care about what Sister Lúcia said or what some VIP having interviewed Sister Lúcia reports, other than the secrets? We want to know the real words of Our Lady!?! I suspect, they did publish what's relevant. Though mixed up with fiction or whatever else manipulation. Today we see with our own eyes, what was prophesized. Anyone here who knows a place on earth free of the errors of Russia?
    It is absurd to imagine that he who is outside can command in the Church — Leo XIII., Satis Cognitum, 1896

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    Re: Sister Lucy investigation results are in!
    « Reply #6 on: August 02, 2018, 06:30:31 AM »
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    Some will blame sedes for the division in this topic but I think that's not entirely fair.
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    From the standpoint of defending Tradition, sedes and other trads (sedes are trads IMHO) are on the same side of this, opposed to Novus Ordo lies and pretension. From our standpoint, it looks bad for the Newchurch leaders who have now been accused of perpetrating an elaborate hoax. The implications are far-reaching. In order for Newchurch to have perpetrated this hoax, they had to meticulously plan events such that the truth could be suppressed, most likely using Communist tactics, I.E., this is an example of the "errors of Russia" put into practice where it counts.
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    As for the story of Fatima, it would seem the larger topic is the Message of Fatima, because it's not just a "story."
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    Regarding the Message of Fatima, now all the purported writings and quotes of Sr. Lucia after the key date (when would that be, 1958?) must be set aside and viewed with great scrutiny since they might be fake too, that is, they might not be what she said or wrote but what they would have led us to believe she said or wrote.
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    https://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholic/history/

    ”Any more information about this-Sister Lucy dying in 1960?”

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    A friend of mine sent me the tapes of Brother Dimond's radio interview Coast to Coast and I was fascinated! I try to be a traditional Catholic and I know all this Novus ordus "confusius" stuff is just that -confused!  I was fascinated by many things Brother Dimond had to say and how he stood up to some of the evil callers.  He said that Sister Lucy of Fatima died in 1960 and that this one who just died was a fake. What he said makes sense, does he have any more information about this-Sister Lucy dying in 1960?  Thank you.  I have been scanning your website and reading it-fascinating and seems to be true.
    Sincerely,
    Kathryn Rubio
    Solon OHIO
    MHFM:
    Thank you for your e-mail. The issue of the fake Sr. Lucy (who posed as the real Sr. Lucy after 1960) is covered near the end of the article below. That there was a fake Sr. Lucy starting in approximately 1960 is proven by 1) what the post-1960 “Sr. Lucy” said, did and endorsed in regard to the Message of Fatima, which blatantly contradicts the message of the real, pre-Vatican II Sr. Lucy; and 2) the photographic evidence.
    It always amazes and perturbs us when we read or hear from false traditionalists who scoff at the idea that there was a fake Sr. Lucy. At the same time, most of these people reject the (phony and ridiculous) version of the Third Secret of Fatima which was released by the Vatican in 2000. Are they awake? They cannot have it both ways! The post-Vatican II “Sr. Lucy” – the one they declare couldn’t have been an impostor – publicly stated (and indicated by gestures on television for all to see) that the Vatican’s version of the Third Secret, released in 2000, is the real Third Secret of Fatima. Therefore, anyone who rejects (as he should) the phony and ridiculous version of the Third Secret of Fatima – which almost all “traditionalists” do, by the way – which was fraudulently released by the Vatican under John Paul II in 2000 must, if he possesses any logical consistency whatsoever, reject the post-Vatican II “Sr. Lucy” (who fully and publicly endorsed it) as an impostor; for the real Sr. Lucy, who was promised Heaven by Our Lady of Fatima and was fully aware of the contents of the real Third Secret would not, of course, endorse as true that which was a fraudulent message.

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    Re: Sister Lucy investigation results are in!
    « Reply #7 on: August 02, 2018, 10:15:38 AM »
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  • It proves that those in Rome are deceivers, liars, sodomite and sodomite enablers.  Sodomites continue to be protected while good priests are persecuted.   We all know that Vatican II was created with many non Catholics to form a one world religion of self love and worldwide atheism.  
    Is Rome Catholic?  
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)


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    Re: Sister Lucy investigation results are in!
    « Reply #8 on: August 02, 2018, 10:36:52 AM »
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  • I never focused much on the possibility that there was a fake Lucia.  For those that have, what does this mean for the Novus Ordo?  The story of Fatima?

    Thanks for the softball-pitch question.


    • It means the 1st Sister Lucy was knocked-off by the judeo-masonics.
    • It means, the judeo-masonics, both outside and inside the Church wanted to thwart the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
    • It means the 2nd, fake Sr. Lucy was wheeled out to greet the modernist (jew) popes, to help endorse the Conciliar revolution.
    • It means, Bp. Fellay and the Menzingen brotherhood's betrayal is all the more grevious.... for deceiving the trad remnant to join the Conciliar revolution.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Sister Lucy investigation results are in!
    « Reply #9 on: August 02, 2018, 10:51:34 AM »
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  • Sister Lucy II was wheeled out to pretend the consecration was accomplished. Now that she is proven an imposter, the laity must redouble all efforts to get the message out and say their 15 decades. And to send letters to bishops insisting they and the Pope get this consecration done. These are the most important works a Catholic can do in 2018.

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    Re: Sister Lucy investigation results are in!
    « Reply #10 on: August 02, 2018, 10:01:28 PM »
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    Fraud: Facial Recognition Technology With 2,400 Picture Comparisons Shows Sister Lucy I ( Pre-1958 ) and Sister Lucy II ( Post-1958 ) are Definitely NOT the Same Person.

    Apparently pictures of Sister Lucy were not shown after 1958. Was she murdered in 1958, and was a fake nun instructed to take her place during those two years?
    It would most likely be impossible to exhume the real Sister Lucy as her relatives and Vatican II church authorities would not agree to do this.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: Sister Lucy investigation results are in!
    « Reply #11 on: August 05, 2018, 09:35:25 AM »
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  • Apparently pictures of Sister Lucy were not shown after 1958. Was she murdered in 1958, and was a fake nun instructed to take her place during those two years?
    It would most likely be impossible to exhume the real Sister Lucy as her relatives and Vatican II church authorities would not agree to do this.
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    All they would have had to do is cremate her body to prevent the problem of her being exhumed in the future. 
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    Re: Sister Lucy investigation results are in!
    « Reply #12 on: August 05, 2018, 10:01:18 AM »
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  • https://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholic/history/

    ”Any more information about this-Sister Lucy dying in 1960?”
    MHFM:
    Thank you for your e-mail. The issue of the fake Sr. Lucy (who posed as the real Sr. Lucy after 1960) is covered near the end of the article below. That there was a fake Sr. Lucy starting in approximately 1960 is proven by 1) what the post-1960 “Sr. Lucy” said, did and endorsed in regard to the Message of Fatima, which blatantly contradicts the message of the real, pre-Vatican II Sr. Lucy; and 2) the photographic evidence.
    It always amazes and perturbs us when we read or hear from false traditionalists who scoff at the idea that there was a fake Sr. Lucy. At the same time, most of these people reject the (phony and ridiculous) version of the Third Secret of Fatima which was released by the Vatican in 2000. Are they awake? They cannot have it both ways! The post-Vatican II “Sr. Lucy” – the one they declare couldn’t have been an impostor – publicly stated (and indicated by gestures on television for all to see) that the Vatican’s version of the Third Secret, released in 2000, is the real Third Secret of Fatima. Therefore, anyone who rejects (as he should) the phony and ridiculous version of the Third Secret of Fatima – which almost all “traditionalists” do, by the way – which was fraudulently released by the Vatican under John Paul II in 2000 must, if he possesses any logical consistency whatsoever, reject the post-Vatican II “Sr. Lucy” (who fully and publicly endorsed it) as an impostor; for the real Sr. Lucy, who was promised Heaven by Our Lady of Fatima and was fully aware of the contents of the real Third Secret would not, of course, endorse as true that which was a fraudulent message.
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    The Brothers Dimond make a false distinction and then proceed from there to build a fake argument.
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    The so-called fake third secret released in 2000 does not have to be entirely fake in order to be a deliberate deception.
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    Nonetheless, a half-truth is a whole lie.
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    Some (such as Fr. Nicholas Gruner, RIP and Atila Guimaraes) have explained that when Sister Lucia set about to write down the Secret in 1943-44, she encountered a difficulty making the pen meet the paper, which resulted in the Secret being rendered in two parts. The first thing she was able to write was her description of what the 3 children had seen while the Lady spoke the words of the Third Secret. It is this account of Sr. Lucia's narration (personal interpretation or description) which the Vatican released in 2000. But that was not the Third Secret itself, because it contains no words of the Lady speaking. The second version, which Lucia was eventually able to write down and which contains the Lady's actual words, has not been made public yet. 
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    There has been much speculation regarding what could have been so controversial, that is, why the words of the Lady were A) so difficult for Sr. Lucia to write them down and B) why the Vatican would be so tremendously reluctant to release them, even going to the extreme measures of killing the real Lucia, finding a replacement, hiding her from any witnesses who would blow the whistle and promoting a fake account of the entire Fatima history in order to confuse the Faithful.
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    For example, the authentic Secret could say there will be an evil Council (Vat.II) that would destroy the Mass in the world.
    Or, it could say that pederasty among Catholic clerics would become a consequence of false worship and idolatry among Churchmen.
    Or, it could contain admonition against attributing undue credibility to false religions worldwide (false ecumenism).
    All three of these problems erupted after 1960, when the Third Secret was supposed to be released to the world, but was hidden.
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    Re: Sister Lucy investigation results are in!
    « Reply #13 on: October 23, 2018, 12:39:14 PM »
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    This topic needs its own subforum to keep all the scattered threads together.
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