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Offline Maria Regina

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Re: Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for decades
« Reply #75 on: October 23, 2018, 01:41:45 PM »
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  • Here is a talk by Fr. Gruner on the last unrestricted interview of Sister Lucy in 1957.
    By Fr. Fuentes.
    The talk is a hour long and well worth the time.

    Using Father Gruner's interview with Sister Lucy has anyone done a speech analysis of Sister Lucy in 1957 versus Sister Lucy II post-1960?

    A comparative speech analysis might provide even better evidence than a facial analysis that the two nuns are two different people.

    If Sister Lucy survived and had major dental work done post-1960, then her speech pattern would have changed.

    The teeth displayed by Sister Lucy pre-1960 could have interfered with her speech, but wearing dentures usually interferes with speech production.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for decades
    « Reply #76 on: October 23, 2018, 02:08:23 PM »
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  • If Sister Lucia died in 1949 per the information printed below, then the interview with Father Gruner in 1957 was with the fake Sister Lucia.

    [Information provided in bracketed red font is my emphasis.]

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    265 - Maria Lucia de Corazao Imaculado
    (dos Santos Lucia de Jesus Rosa)

    Nata: 22/03/1907 (Fatima)
    Prof: 03-10/1928 [21 years old]
    Def: 31/05/1949 [42 years old]

    See the link for the chart: https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/unknown-photo-of-sister-lucy-2-said-taken-in-1980/msg581375/#msg581375

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    Re: Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for decades
    « Reply #77 on: October 23, 2018, 02:33:19 PM »
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  • However, the picture in this 1957 photo taken of Sr. Lucia seems to indicate that Sr. Lucia had not died in 1949, but was still alive in 1957.

    See - https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g23ht_Interview.html

    Who are we to believe?

    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for decades
    « Reply #78 on: October 23, 2018, 02:51:09 PM »
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  • Testimony of Professor Walsh’s Translator, Father Manuel Rocha

    Concerning the July 15, 1946 interview between Professor William Thomas Walsh and Sister Lucy (see “Sister Lucy’s Statement to Professor Walsh”), Louis Kaczmarek wrote the following in his 1986 book The Wonders She Performs:
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    While he was the pastor of Our Lady of Fatima Church in Ludlow, Massachusetts, I spent some time with Fr. Manuel Rocha, the interpreter selected for Mr. William Thomas Walsh, who wrote perhaps the most popular book on Fatima. Fr. Rocha told me that one of the questions Mr. Walsh asked him to translate to Sister Lucia during a three hour interview on the afternoon of July 15, 1946, while she was still Sister Maria das Dores, a Dorothean Sister at Vilar, near Porto, Portugal was ‘In your opinion, will every country, without exception, be overcome by communism?’ Her pale brown eyes staring into his, a ‘little dimple on each cheek,’ she answered ‘yes.’ Fr. Rocha related to me that Mr. Walsh wanted to be positive about the answer and therefore repeated the question adding ‘and does that mean the United States of America too?’ Sister Lucia answered, ‘yes.’
    Sister Lucia went on to say: ‘What Our Lady wants is that the Pope and all the bishops in the world shall consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart on one special day. If this is done, She will convert Russia and there will be peace. If it is not done, the errors of Russia will spread through every country in the world.’
    Fr. Rocha, as well as Mr. Walsh, felt that the consecration had not been made because Our Lady’s wishes had not yet been carried out.
    This interview again demonstrates that Sister Lucy has consistently affirmed the requirements for the Consecration of Russia according to Our Lady’s wishes: the Pope, together with all of the world’s bishops, must solemnly and publicly consecrate specifically Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Until this is done, Russia’s errors will continue to spread throughout the world, and the world will be chastised as Our Lady warned at Fatima in 1917.

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    Sr. Lucy seemed "the same, original, Sr. Lucy" in her later Fr. Fuentes interview, at Christmastime in 1957 - grave, serious, and still "on point."  After this 1957 interview, she was silenced.  What actually happened to her then seems a matter of speculation.   

    Fr. Wathen always maintained that if Sr. Lucy did attend the Novus Ordo Mass, she was wrong to do so.  The same with all of us.   
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for decades
    « Reply #79 on: October 23, 2018, 08:45:04 PM »
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  • .
    This topic needs its own subforum to keep all the scattered threads together.
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    Re: Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for decades
    « Reply #80 on: October 23, 2018, 08:54:05 PM »
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    This topic needs its own subforum to keep all the scattered threads together.
    Agreed. 

    Pulling the multiple threads to the top shows it is enough of a popular topic, thank you Neil. 

    Perhaps when Matthew gets time he will file them together into their own spot. 

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for decades
    « Reply #81 on: October 25, 2018, 06:54:06 PM »
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    The proposition of this OP title implies that the Newmass has legitimacy proved by Sr. Lucy's attendance. 
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    Well, not so fast!
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    If she was bumped off and replaced with a FAKE sometime before 1960, then she never attended the Newmass.
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    It would have been the imposter sister lucy that was doing that, so there goes the legitimacy principle out the window.
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    Re: Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for decades
    « Reply #82 on: October 25, 2018, 07:09:30 PM »
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  • Are you sure she is the actual Sister Lucy.  What evidence I have seen. I do not
    think so.
    The real Sister Lucy was removed before the New Order of Mass became official.
    There has been the facial recognition proofs posted on CI in the archives.
    See for yourself.
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    That post was 4 years ago --- now the facial recognition proofs are at an entirely new level, forensic, verified. 
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    Re: Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for decades
    « Reply #83 on: October 25, 2018, 07:16:26 PM »
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    That post was 4 years ago --- now the facial recognition proofs are at an entirely new level, forensic, verified.

    Were those actually released yet?

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    Re: Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for decades
    « Reply #84 on: October 26, 2018, 08:14:31 AM »
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  • However, the picture in this 1957 photo taken of Sr. Lucia seems to indicate that Sr. Lucia had not died in 1949, but was still alive in 1957.

    See - https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g23ht_Interview.html

    Who are we to believe?


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    I don't see how that photo can be from 1957, since she was supposed to have joined the Carmelites in 1948, but the photo above shows her in a Dorothean habit, not Carmelite.  Most likely the photo is just incorrectly labeled 1957.

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    Re: Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for decades
    « Reply #85 on: October 26, 2018, 07:42:18 PM »
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  • I wonder if the switch from the true Sr. Lucy to the false Sr. Lucy was done in the following manner.  The real one is removed at some point in time from the monastery at Coimbra and the remaining nuns are informed that she was transferred to another monastery of the Order of Discalced Carmelites, but perhaps they are not informed which one.  In any events any attempts by the nuns to communicate via letters with her are thwarted by having their communications go unanswered or answered by some false 3rd party.  Or the letters could be answered for a period of time by the real Sr. Lucy, but only for a certain period of time until they are no longer answered or answered by a  false
    3rd party 

    Then during a period of transition which could have been some years all the remaining nuns at Coimbra die off or are transferred to other O.C.D. monasteries and replaced by other nuns who have never had a face to face encounter with Sr. Lucy and have never seen any recent photos of her.  Eventually, all the remaining nuns are replaced and once that is done the fake Sr. Lucy "returns" to the monastery in Coimbra.  That scenario would obviously be planned so as to not have the return of the fake Sr. Lucy raise any suspicions with the "replacement" nuns.


     

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