Author Topic: Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for decades (Read 27178 times)

awkwardcustomer · « **Reply #20 on:** October 11, 2014, 07:43:41 AM »

Okay, the fake Sister Lucy ......

I have only one question to ask in response to the claims that the real Sister Lucy died, on an unspecified date, and was then replaced by a fake Sister Lucy who went along with Vatican II and all its dreadful reforms.

Why bother?

I mean, why would the Vatican do this? And why would it be worth the trouble? Suppose for the sake of argument that Sister Lucy did die in, say, 1951. Why wouldn't the Roman authorities leave it at that? She had already written down the Third Secret and given it to the local bishop. What was to be gained by setting up a fake Sister Lucy? Nothing, as far as I can see.

It could be argued that a fake Sister Lucy going along with Vatican II and attending the Novus Ordo Mass every day in a Novus Ordo convent, gave Vatican II an added legitimacy. But did the Conciliarists really need this? They had almost the entire hierarchy, including the pope, supporting the Council? They didn't need a fake Sister Lucy to go along with the reforms, never criticising them, adoring JPII as she did. They had all the support they needed, and some.

The fake Sister Lucy thesis is far too difficult to pull off successfully, even for the Conciliarists. Her early death would have suited them just as well. As for those photographs. Try comparing photos of someone in their eighties with photos of that same person in their twenties.

Many Trads find it hard to believe that Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass every day in a Novus Ordo convent. They also find it hard to believe that the the nun shown adoring JPII at the beatification ceremony for Jacinta and Franceso is the real Sister Lucy.

Well I'm sorry, but if Trads have to make up a story about a fake Sister Lucy in order to save Fatima, then what does that say about Fatima?

awkwardcustomer · « **Reply #21 on:** October 11, 2014, 08:02:03 AM »

stbrigidswell said,

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Endless fretting over a direct request from Our Lady!!! its worth fretting over.

Replacing Sr Lucy with a fake in a closed convent is not beyond difficult when you have the resources available to Freemasons. She may have been a simple peasant girl but when threatened with her life she held fast to her faith and the revelation even at such a young age. There is no way that Our Lady would pick a weak Catholic girl in the first place and think of all the graces she would have received. There is no way that she would have gone along with Vatican II.

But we don't know for sure that the Consecration of Russia was a direct request from Our Lady. We only have Sister Lucy's word for it, and no-one else's, the same Sister Lucy who accepted Vatican II - in public, remember!

Was there no-one still alive in the year 2000 who had known Sister Lucy when she was growing up? Wouldn't they have seen her, either while watching the beatification ceremony for Jacinta and Francisco on television, or while attending the ceremony in person?

And did no family member or person from her village ever try to visit Sister Lucy after she had died and been replaced by a fake? Or were they all in on the plot too?

And who was this fake anyway? Does anyone have any idea who she was? Did she have childhood friends and family? Wouldn't they have recognised her as being the fake Sister lucy? Or were they also in on the plot?

That's a lot of people who either have to be silenced, or who are part of the conspiracy. I'm quite open to conspiracy theories, but this one is going too far.

OHCA · « **Reply #22 on:** October 11, 2014, 09:41:12 AM »

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Let me remind everyone, please! Catholics are not called to follow Sr. Lucy, we are called to follow Christ and His teachings, period.

Do you think Sister Lucy will be at your side when you stand before God, when He asks you, DID YOU KEEP THE FAITH?

This is the most sensible thing that I have read in this entire thread. Both sides, starting in the very first post, are putting far too much weight on what Sister Lucy did and did not do. Was Sister Lucy a pope or otherwise infallible? NO. Does anything about Fatima guarantee that Sister Lucy would never sin? NO. Did many good Catholics get duped (mainly by virtue of being "obedient") into following the conciliarists and its "popes?" YES. Is it possible that Sister Lucy was one of those good Catholics who obediently followed the path of conciliardom? YES. If so, does that make conciliardom right or acceptable? HELL NO!!!!

awkwardcustomer's initial post invited you all into proceeding as though Sister Lucy was some sort of sinless, divine, infallible persona, and y'all (laughably) fell for it. I argue with heretics all the time accusing Catholics of thinking that the saints are divine. You sound as though if it were unequivocally proven to you that Sister Lucy attended NO "masses" and "sacraments," that you would suddenly decide that conciliardom is perfectly fine. And that's what awkwardcustomer baited you for.

I don't know for sure (nor do any of you), but I expect she did and that she was who ggreg saw all giddy with JPII. But that's absolutely MEANINGLESS as an indication of whether the NO is good or not. Just like this whole thread--MEANINGLESS--not worth a $#!+ for anything.

And then somebody like Hirsch comes strolling by who has been putting sentences together and making a little sense of late, and he has a relapse and takes this Sister Lucy's actions as the golden nugget of an indicator that the NO and its sacraments are acceptable. UGH!!

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #23 on:** October 11, 2014, 10:45:39 AM »

So my Sacraments and all the times I went to NO Mass doesn't count??
Where were traditional Catholics to be "apostolic" and reach out to Catholics.
There were knocks on our door and it wasn't traditional Catholics.
There were invitations to churches not by traditional Catholics.

History shows us that there were Popes who were in error sin or herectics.

Well got to go. Going to Rosary Rally with Father Romanowski who no longer does the Vatican II
Mass but the Latin Mass. Our Lady of Fatima pray for us!!
Deo gratias!

Larry · « **Reply #24 on:** October 11, 2014, 05:00:28 PM »

Doesn't anyone think it's possible that Sister Lucy in 2000 was an old lady with dementia? Even saints can go senile. I saw the beatification ceremony when it was broadcast, I thought Lucy acted strange(I remember her waving strangely at the crowd). But the reason doesn't haven't to be that Lucy was an imposter, or that Fatima is a fraud. Maybe she was acting like what she, in fact, was- an old lady in her dotage. What was she, 90 plus years old?