Author Topic: Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for decades (Read 27180 times)

PerEvangelicaDicta · « **Reply #15 on:** October 10, 2014, 08:11:27 PM »

a.c., by the 'fruits of Fatima', I was referring to the concerted re-dedication of the Catholic world to an old and holy devotion. Unlike Garabandal or Medjugorje, the words recanted by the children do not indicate conflicts of Faith or questions re: the 'voice' of Our Holy Mother.

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #16 on:** October 10, 2014, 09:24:05 PM »

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Either a fake Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for all those years in a Novus Ordo convent, and never once spoke out against Vatican II, or something is desperately wrong with Fatima.

Or, option #3, the odious Novus Ordo Mass, while a clear attempt by modernists to overtake the Traditional Church, is still a legitimate mass that people can attend and receive the sacrament.

Miseremini · « **Reply #17 on:** October 10, 2014, 10:43:59 PM »

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The convent records show Lucia Santos from Fatima died May 31, 1949. If this is true, she never attended the Novus Ordo.
Also she did not have to be alive to witness the 3rd secret being revealed. Most saints never saw the result of their work.

Are you sure you're not getting mixed up with the date that Sister Lucy made her profession as a Discalced Carmelite?

I found the following on the EWTN website.
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In 1946, seeking a more contemplative life, Lucia entered the Carmelite convent of St. Teresa in Coimbra, where she made her profession as a Discalced Carmelite on May 31, 1949. She took the name Sister Maria Lucia of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart.

https://www.ewtn.com/fatima/children/lucia.htm

Years ago you could go to the convent website and though written in Portugese you could see the death records for all the nuns. At the time it was all over the net that #265 was Sister Lucy. It gave here birth, town born, date of entry into the convent and her death. Each one was exactly as could be verified in any book on Fatima. Withing a year this site was taken down. I do remember printing the sheet that contained her record ( I just have to find it now.) I believe Tradition in Action mentions this site also.

EWTN is not reliable on tradition. HOWEVER for arguments sake lets say that's true.
Now wouldn't that be the perfect time to introduce a fake Sister Lucy. Think about it. No one at the new convent would know her, what she looks like or have any personal knowledge of her. They'd take her at face value. They couldn't have done that at her old convent.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #18 on:** October 10, 2014, 11:07:28 PM »

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Miseremini said,
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The convent records show Lucia Santos from Fatima died May 31, 1949. If this is true, she never attended the Novus Ordo.
Also she did not have to be alive to witness the 3rd secret being revealed. Most saints never saw the result of their work.

Are you sure you're not getting mixed up with the date that Sister Lucy made her profession as a Discalced Carmelite?

I found the following on the EWTN website.
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In 1946, seeking a more contemplative life, Lucia entered the Carmelite convent of St. Teresa in Coimbra, where she made her profession as a Discalced Carmelite on May 31, 1949. She took the name Sister Maria Lucia of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart.

https://www.ewtn.com/fatima/children/lucia.htm

Years ago you could go to the convent website and though written in Portugese you could see the death records for all the nuns. At the time it was all over the net that #265 was Sister Lucy. It gave here birth, town born, date of entry into the convent and her death. Each one was exactly as could be verified in any book on Fatima. Withing a year this site was taken down. I do remember printing the sheet that contained her record ( I just have to find it now.) I believe Tradition in Action mentions this site also.

EWTN is not reliable on tradition. HOWEVER for arguments sake lets say that's true.
Now wouldn't that be the perfect time to introduce a fake Sister Lucy. Think about it. No one at the new convent would know her, what she looks like or have any personal knowledge of her. They'd take her at face value. They couldn't have done that at her old convent.

So you have an actual picture of it! I saw it once, too, and it was gone. So glad someone captured it. :jumping2: Oboyoboyoboy! I wanna see! :jumping2:

stbrighidswell · « **Reply #19 on:** October 11, 2014, 01:22:44 AM »

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It's one or the other, isn't it?
Either she was fake (and the heart of Roman freemasons is black as can be, and capable of anything), or - going by your initial statement a.c. - something is desperately wrong. I fear we will never know until all is revealed.
In the meantime, the fruits of Fatima are good and holy vs., for example, Medjugorje, wouldn't you say?

You've summed up my dilemma. Either a fake Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for all those years in a Novus Ordo convent, and never once spoke out against Vatican II, or something is desperately wrong with Fatima.

Meanwhile, what exactly are the fruits of Fatima? To me, they seem to amount to little more than an endless fretting over the Consecration of Russia and the period of peace that is supposed to follow. [/b] Didn't the real Sister Lucy quote Our Lady as saying, in the Second Secret, that,

"... In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world."

Endless fretting over a direct request from Our Lady!!! its worth fretting over.

Replacing Sr Lucy with a fake in a closed convent is not beyond difficult when you have the resources available to Freemasons. She may have been a simple peasant girl but when threatened with her life she held fast to her faith and the revelation even at such a young age. There is no way that Our Lady would pick a weak Catholic girl in the first place and think of all the graces she would have received. There is no way that she would have gone along with Vatican II.