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Offline Deliveringit

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sister Lucia of Fatima accepted the V2 Popes
« on: January 13, 2012, 06:39:26 AM »
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  • I was at one time on the fence, leaning towards sedevacantism based on what the Dimonds claim to be true teachings of the Church, but now I am no longer on the fence. I made the case in favor of sedevacantism numerous times in this FORUM. However, I now reject sedevacantism.

    The reason I now reject sedevacantism is because I called sister Lucia's convent in Coimbra, Portugal and spoke to a nun who knew her. The nun said that sister Lucia was obedient to the post Vatican II Popes and accepted their teachings. So that settled the matter for me. If sister Lucia of Fatima accepted Vatican II and the Vatican II Popes, then I must do so as well. After all, the blessed virgin Mary told sister Lucia that she would go to Heaven. So sister Lucia is a Saint.

    Oh, and please don't respond to what I just said by claiming she wasn't the real sister Lucia, because that will only make you look like a nut case.


    Offline Pyrrhos

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    sister Lucia of Fatima accepted the V2 Popes
    « Reply #1 on: January 13, 2012, 08:10:17 AM »
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  • Whatever position on the crisis of the Church you take, it has to be based on the teaching of the Church, not private revelation.
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    sister Lucia of Fatima accepted the V2 Popes
    « Reply #2 on: January 13, 2012, 08:14:53 AM »
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    If sister Lucia of Fatima accepted Vatican II and the Vatican II Popes, then I must do so as well. After all, the blessed virgin Mary told sister Lucia that she would go to Heaven. So sister Lucia is a Saint.


    It's not a logical conclusion.  There are lots of Catholics who didn't understand what was going on in Vatican II.

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    sister Lucia of Fatima accepted the V2 Popes
    « Reply #3 on: January 13, 2012, 08:51:30 AM »
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    I was at one time on the fence, leaning towards sedevacantism based on what the Dimonds claim to be true teachings of the Church, but now I am no longer on the fence. I made the case in favor of sedevacantism numerous times in this FORUM. However, I now reject sedevacantism.

    The reason I now reject sedevacantism is because I called sister Lucia's convent in Coimbra, Portugal and spoke to a nun who knew her. The nun said that sister Lucia was obedient to the post Vatican II Popes and accepted their teachings. So that settled the matter for me. If sister Lucia of Fatima accepted Vatican II and the Vatican II Popes, then I must do so as well. After all, the blessed virgin Mary told sister Lucia that she would go to Heaven. So sister Lucia is a Saint.



    That is a shallow and unreasonable way to form your decision.

    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    sister Lucia of Fatima accepted the V2 Popes
    « Reply #4 on: January 13, 2012, 10:00:40 AM »
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  • There were two Sister Lucia's, you know. I don't think saying that makes me looks nuts. I think it's nuts that you would base your decision on who believed what and overlook the facts.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    sister Lucia of Fatima accepted the V2 Popes
    « Reply #5 on: January 13, 2012, 10:44:02 AM »
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    Whatever position on the crisis of the Church you take, it has to be based on the teaching of the Church, not private revelation.


     
     :facepalm:   What valid reason could one have to thumb down this post or Tele's post? I hope it was just Deliveringit over-reacting and not someone else.

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    sister Lucia of Fatima accepted the V2 Popes
    « Reply #6 on: January 13, 2012, 12:48:07 PM »
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  • There is good reason to suspect the younger Lucia and the older Lucia are not even the same person. They don't even LOOK alike.
    'Take care not to resemble the multitude whose knowledge of God's will only condemns them to more severe punishment.'

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    sister Lucia of Fatima accepted the V2 Popes
    « Reply #7 on: January 13, 2012, 07:11:43 PM »
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    Whatever position on the crisis of the Church you take, it has to be based on the teaching of the Church, not private revelation.


    Exactly.

    Furthermore, if one is to take a position regarding these matters, one ought not to base such a position on the "copy-and-paste" anti-theology and novel speculations of some high dropouts who unlawfully usurp the hallowed title of "Benedictines."

    In a way, one is actually safer in the "Novus Ordo" (supposing good faith) than in the "tin-foil ape" of the Catholic Church that Pete and Mike have brought forth.

    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.


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    sister Lucia of Fatima accepted the V2 Popes
    « Reply #8 on: January 13, 2012, 07:27:28 PM »
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    If sister Lucia of Fatima accepted Vatican II and the Vatican II Popes, then I must do so as well. After all, the blessed virgin Mary told sister Lucia that she would go to Heaven. So sister Lucia is a Saint.


    Indeed, she is a Saint. Our Lady promised that Sr. Lucy would attain to the celestial heights after much horrible suffering, the details of which we may never know in this life. However, that promise did not necessarily entail a sort of "infallibility" regarding theological disputes of a polemical nature.

    Sr. Lucy was a Carmelite virgin of eminent sanctity, a worthy daughter of St. Teresa of Jesus and St. John of the Cross, having attained unto the apices of the mystical ways of prayer and contemplation, and mysteriously paralleling (though in a hidden way, much akin to the interior life as taught and lived by the Little Flower) the life and prodigies of her spiritual Father, St. Elias the Prophet, the great Founder of the Carmelite Order.

    Sr. Lucy was not part of the world, being detached from self and all other created things, and therefore not knowing of the troubles and anxieties of the world, yet offering reparation and sacrifice for them. Like the great Padre Pio, if she obeyed Rome after "Vatican II," she did so in good faith, cherishing the dogmas of the infallibility and primacy of the Roman Pontiff as defined at the Vatican Council, as do Catholics entrapped in the "Novus Ordo" who are of good faith and of irreproachable morals, and are (this is most important!) devoted to Our Lady and her Most Holy Rosary.

    It is my personal opinion that the Third Secret, other than explaining the crisis in the Church as only Our Lady could (how that would be, we may never know in this life), also explains what Sr. Lucia said in a later interview about how the Holy Rosary was given a new and more potent efficacy for our times: as some have said many times hitherto, the Holy Rosary is the key to ending these calamitous disasters that have befallen Holy Mother Church.  

    So my advice for you and everyone here is to persevere in the devout recitation of the Holy Rosary and observe the message of Our Lady at Fatima, which is nothing more than an echo of those immortal words that Mary Most Holy spoke (the only public pronouncement of hers recorded by the Evangelists): "Whatsoever He (that is, Our Lord Jesus) shall say to you, do ye" (St. John ch. ii., 5).
    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.

    Offline Deliveringit

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    « Reply #9 on: January 14, 2012, 09:16:21 AM »
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    ......that Sr. Lucy is a great Saint is not necessarily so.


    Are you calling our blessed mother Mary a liar? Our holy blessed virgin mother Mary said sister Lucia would go to Heaven.

    Also, to those who think sister Lucia after 1960 was an impostor based on her teeth and jar line, well I asked that nun about that too. The nun told me that sister Lucia had gotten artificial dentures. I know false teeth can change a person's appearance because it changed my mother's appearance. This also explains why the sister Lucia after 1960 smiles downward while the sister Lucia before 1960 smiled upwards.

    Instead of the Dimond brothers putting out that Calumnious conspiracy theory of the "impostor" sister Lucia, they instead could have simply contacted her convent and in doing so, they would have found out that she simply had gotten false teeth.

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    « Reply #10 on: January 14, 2012, 09:44:29 AM »
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    ......that Sr. Lucy is a great Saint is not necessarily so.


    Are you calling our blessed mother Mary a liar? Our holy blessed virgin mother Mary said sister Lucia would go to Heaven.

    Also, to those who think sister Lucia after 1960 was an impostor based on her teeth and jar line, well I asked that nun about that too. The nun told me that sister Lucia had gotten artificial dentures. I know false teeth can change a person's appearance because it changed my mother's appearance. This also explains why the sister Lucia after 1960 smiles downward while the sister Lucia before 1960 smiled upwards.

    Instead of the Dimond brothers putting out that Calumnious conspiracy theory of the "impostor" sister Lucia, they instead could have simply contacted her convent and in doing so, they would have found out that she simply had gotten false teeth.


    Wrong, dude, so wrong.

    http://traditioninaction.org/Questions/E016_Sr.LucyRepercussions.htm

    Its not just the teeth, its the different chin and the change in doctrine of what both of them believed.

    The difference is unmistakable and you sir are leading souls astray by putting false information out there and your own personal opinions.


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    « Reply #11 on: January 14, 2012, 09:52:29 AM »
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  • Nice PiO!

    Hey buddy- how you been! Hope you doing well my brother!

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    « Reply #12 on: January 14, 2012, 10:14:06 AM »
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    ...I called sister Lucia's convent in Coimbra, Portugal and spoke to a nun who knew her.


    What is the name of the nun you spoke to, and does she speak English, or do you speak Portugese?

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    « Reply #13 on: January 14, 2012, 04:25:27 PM »
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    ......that Sr. Lucy is a great Saint is not necessarily so.


    Are you calling our blessed mother Mary a liar? Our holy blessed virgin mother Mary said sister Lucia would go to Heaven.

    Also, to those who think sister Lucia after 1960 was an impostor based on her teeth and jar line, well I asked that nun about that too. The nun told me that sister Lucia had gotten artificial dentures. I know false teeth can change a person's appearance because it changed my mother's appearance. This also explains why the sister Lucia after 1960 smiles downward while the sister Lucia before 1960 smiled upwards.

    Instead of the Dimond brothers putting out that Calumnious conspiracy theory of the "impostor" sister Lucia, they instead could have simply contacted her convent and in doing so, they would have found out that she simply had gotten false teeth.


    So false teeth can make someone look like a completely different person? Get real.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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