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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2025, 08:33:18 AM »
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  • So, the worst aspect of DM is that there's no emphasis on actual purpose and resolution of amendment.  People just emote and mutter words about asking for Mercy, but in Catholic theology that means nothing without the firm purpose of amendment.  I imagine a fair percentage of its practionioners like it precisely because they can continue on in whatever sin(s) they're attached to and then pretend that they will have Mercy anyway just from the chaplet.  It's almost like the Prot heresy, but made more subtle so that it can be more easily imbibed by those who are inclined to accept it on account of attachment to sin.  You'll have thousands of people show up at the larger Conciliar parishes for the DM devotion ... and yet they'll average a half dozen people per week at their 30-minute window for Confession each Saturday.

    Catholic teaching about Divine Mercy is quite clear ... if you have a firm purpose of amendment and go to Confession, you will receive Mercy.  There's zero need for this, except actually to shift the emphasis AWAY from that purpose of amendment.  I'm always struck by God's Mercy after I go to Confession ... and don't need a chaplet to help me somehow believe in it.

    Of course, when God reveals new devotions, it's generally to correct some disordered trend, and that's precisely why He revealed devotion to His Sacred Heart during Jansenist times, when many people did have too little confidence in God's Mercy and perhaps an excessive emphasis on His Justice.  But there's no shortage of people "trusting" (aka presuming) in God's Mercy these days, and God would never confirm or add fuel to this disordered presumption by revealing such a devotion at this time.

    Based on these reasons, and even the most casual perusal of Faustiuna's diary, it's 1000% certain that this is not from God.  I used to think it 90% certain that it was the product of psychological illness on the part of Faustina, but I'm inclined more and more to believe that it's diabolical in origin.

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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #16 on: April 28, 2025, 08:42:37 AM »
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  • Additional reasons to suspect diabolical origin ...

    "Revelation" claiming that this chaplet is the "last hope" for mankind ... uttered shortly after Our Lady of Fatima had told Sister Lucia the same thing about the Holy Rosary.

    "Revelation" claiming encouraging people to say the chaplet during every free moment they have ... whereas Padre Pio said that about the Holy Rosary.

    "Revelation" insisting that the chaplet be said on Rosary beads.

    Between these 3, it's clearly an attempt to displace the Holy Rosary ... which the devil knows has extraordinary power in these days, per Our Lady's promises.

    In addition, the devil has all but supplanted devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus with this new-agey-beam-of-light nonsense.

    Now, Our Lady revealed the Holy Rosary not just so people could mutter words over and over again ... something which Our Lord actually condemned ... but because the repetition anchors part of the brain that then allows another part of the mind to be freed up toward mediatation and contemplation.  It's an amazing way to teach the faithful how to engage in mental prayer.  Now, the reason I believe Our Lady insisted upon 15 minutes of meditation on thy mysteries of the Holy Rosary as part of the First Saturday devotion is because many did likely develop a tendency just to mutter the words without actually using it as intended as an aid in meditation.

    But given the timing, the clear intent to replace/supplant the Holy Rosary (contradicting Our Lady at Fatima), as well as the assertion about a light coming from Poland that's nearly always applied by Conciliars as some divine endorsement of Wojtyla ... I'm 90% certain that this devotion was diabolical in origin, and not just a reflection of Faustina's psychological problems.  Oh, and there were also those weird incidents that might be read as an endorsement of Communion in the Hand.

    I beleive that the devil used various forms of flattery (unheard of in any genuine private revelation, which usually involves Our Lord HUMBLING the recipient of the revelation, lest the revelation fill them with pride) ... where Our Lord allegedly told Faustina the she was the greatest saint who ever lived and that Our Lord was sparing the entire world on account of her, etc. ... effectively putting her on a part with Our Lady.  If something appeared to me and told ME that, I'd instantly realize it was diabolical nonsense ... being a total load of BS.  But the devil knew that Faustina was inclined toward pride and would just "eat this stuff up" ... whereas anyone with even a modicuм of humility, even (and especially) the greatest of saints would immeidately dismiss this as diabolical deceit.  You also hear that despite being told by her confessors and fellow religious to ignore and dimiss these revelations since they were not genuince, she kept seeking "second opinions" until she got the one she wanted to hear ... from Fr. Spocko there.


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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #17 on: April 28, 2025, 09:03:10 AM »
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  • I beleive that the devil used various forms of flattery (unheard of in any genuine private revelation, which usually involves Our Lord HUMBLING the recipient of the revelation, lest the revelation fill them with pride) ... where Our Lord allegedly told Faustina the she was the greatest saint who ever lived and that Our Lord was sparing the entire world on account of her, etc. ... effectively putting her on a part with Our Lady.  If something appeared to me and told ME that, I'd instantly realize it was diabolical nonsense ... being a total load of BS.  But the devil knew that Faustina was inclined toward pride and would just "eat this stuff up" ... whereas anyone with even a modicuм of humility, even (and especially) the greatest of saints would immeidately dismiss this as diabolical deceit.  You also hear that despite being told by her confessors and fellow religious to ignore and dimiss these revelations since they were not genuince, she kept seeking "second opinions" until she got the one she wanted to hear ... from Fr. Spocko there.
    This was the very part that convinced me Faustina was delusional, the way "Christ" just went on and on heaping praise on her. Not even Paula White is that shameless in boasting about her special relationship with the Almighty. I immediately wanted to stop reading because it was so disturbing. 

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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #18 on: April 28, 2025, 09:25:39 AM »
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  • This was the very part that convinced me Faustina was delusional, the way "Christ" just went on and on heaping praise on her. Not even Paula White is that shameless in boasting about her special relationship with the Almighty. I immediately wanted to stop reading because it was so disturbing.

    Yeah, it was extreme to the point of being nauseating.  ANYONE with even the tiniest modicuм of humility would reject that nonsense and see it for the diabolical deception it was.  If some apparition of light appeared to me and told me that stuff, I'd laugh at its sulfer-stained hooves, telling it, "Surely with that angelic intellect you can do better than this."  But Faustina soaked it up ... and that was what made her into a tool for spreading this deception.

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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #19 on: April 28, 2025, 09:51:30 AM »
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  • So, the worst aspect of DM is that there's no emphasis on actual purpose and resolution of amendment.  People just emote and mutter words about asking for Mercy, but in Catholic theology that means nothing without the firm purpose of amendment. 
    Yes, there's no call to action on the part of followers, other than to ceaselessly and mindlessly utter these prayers.  At least, with the purpose of amendment, the person can improve spiritually.  But that's not even part of it.

    What worse, is that it totally degrades the purpose of Fatima.  Fatima included the purpose of amendment because the 5 first saturdays involve confession.  But Fatima's main message was OTHERS.  Pray for the souls in purgatory.  Pray and do sacrifices for sinners.  And...do PENANCE for sins.

    The DM message is just some unclear, emotional, hazy idea of "mercy".


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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #20 on: April 28, 2025, 11:01:35 AM »
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  • What worse, is that it totally degrades the purpose of Fatima.  Fatima included the purpose of amendment because the 5 first saturdays involve confession.  But Fatima's main message was OTHERS.  Pray for the souls in purgatory.  Pray and do sacrifices for sinners.  And...do PENANCE for sins.

    Great point about praying for others ... and one that I hadn't noticed before but spot on, as it's totally absent from the DM message.  While Our Lady at Fatima showed the children Hell and pleased for them to sacrifice to save souls, DM almost makes it seem as though salvation is almost assured, and Our Lord's Mercy so superabundant that very few are condemned to Hell.

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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #21 on: April 28, 2025, 11:24:04 AM »
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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #22 on: April 28, 2025, 11:27:29 AM »
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  • Sacred Heart of Jesus, I put my trust in Thee.  Saint Pius X 
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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #23 on: April 28, 2025, 11:37:36 AM »
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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #24 on: April 28, 2025, 12:18:18 PM »
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    Since the Divine Mercy chaplet is prayed on the Rosary beads, and is faster, it is largely replacing the recitation of the Rosary in the Novus Ordo.

    I don't mean to be contrary, but having worked in agricultural research at a Land Grant University for 15 years (as a technician and dairy herdsman, not a scientist), I can't avoid the importance of precision and accuracy, (and citing verifiable sources), not that I'm always perfect in those traits.

    I don't know much about the Divine Mercy devotion (I've always had a strong devotion to the Sacred Heart) and can't comment on what is said here about it.  I have no idea how long it might take to recite it.

    I'm a registered parishioner in the Diocese of Spokane.  In semi-retirement I work part time for a funeral home, frequently assisting with funerals at neighboring parishes in the Diocese of Yakima (and I pick up a copy of their bulletins to read).  I routinely read the digital version of the Seattle Archdiocese newspaper.  I believe I can accurately say that the statement quoted above is absolutely untrue.  Some parish churches may have the Divine Mercy image (which I particularly don't care for), and some may (or may not) have had a procession and Holy Hour last Sunday (I was at a Ruthenian Divine Liturgy last Sunday).  However, of the parishes in a thirty-mile radius of the Tri-Cities in southeastern Washington (8, and there are reports that a new parish is going to be erected), almost all have a public recited Rosaries one or more times a week.  For the Vigil service the night before a funeral Mass, the Rosary is almost universally chosen by families, in lieu of or in addition to Vespers from the Office for the Dead, often followed by the Litany of Loreto.  Other than last Sunday, the Divine Mercy is NEVER mentioned.  So no, the chaplet is NOT replacing the recitation of the Rosary.


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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #25 on: April 28, 2025, 12:30:42 PM »
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  • In our area of east coast, it is.  Most Catholic viewings, the Hoky rosary isn’t even prayed.  

    Good to hear that out west that they still pray the rosary at funerals.

    Here in East coast, DM is like a cult.  It is bigger than Easter in the local diocese.  And the chaplet is prayed more than the rosary or Stations of the Cross.
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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #26 on: April 28, 2025, 12:36:38 PM »
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  • I don't know if this gentleman's youtube channel has been mentioned before but
    he does some in depth videos on Polish messianism that formed the thinking of Faustina and JPII.

    If the link doesn't work it's called Ascent of Mount Carmel

    https://www.youtube.com/@ascentofmountcarmel438/videos

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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #27 on: April 28, 2025, 12:46:15 PM »
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  • and the people who flock to Medjugorje and pray the divine mercy will blather on about all the spiritual
    blessings they have received...and then they will vote for Kamala hαɾɾιs or some other communist.
    Sounds like most from our area. 
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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #28 on: April 28, 2025, 01:18:18 PM »
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  • John Paul II couldn’t discern much when he helped Canonize St Faustina and promote Bergolio.  


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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #29 on: April 28, 2025, 01:35:34 PM »
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  • Have your devotion, fine. If someone wants to believe it in private, fine. But don't make it public and force it upon us.

    They do treat Faustina like a Polish Joseph Smith of sorts—someone with a vision of something that now people are supposed to take as fact. That is the most disturbing thing about this all.
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