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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Ladislaus on April 27, 2025, 02:13:11 PM
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Since today is the Conciliar / Wojtylan Great "Feast of Divine Mercy" ... as if that wasn't Good Friday through Easter already, and the Dimond Brothers reposted this great video ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quQb-vyM9Cw
I have to wonder whether Sister Faustina was just mentally disturbed or whether there was a diabolical element to the false devotion ... an attempt to displace the Sacred Heart of Jesus, create presumption in God's mercy (in lieu of Confession), etc. God typically introduces new devotions to offset various imbalances, such as the Sacred Heart devotion to offset the Jansenist mentality. Since Vatican II, there's been no shortage of people who already believe (too much) in God's Mercy, at the expense of His Justice. So this devotion, having come when it did, actually adds fuel to a disorder rather than offsetting it.
I was reminded of the fiction character "Faust" (coincidence?), who sold his soul to the devil for knowledge, power ... and pleasure. Women tend to be more interested in fame, attention, and influence than in power, so that would be their equivalent.
There was that nun Magdalena de la Cruz who had made a similar deal in the 1500s.
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Schizophrenia runs in my family so I'm very familiar the delusions of grandeur that characterizes their thinking.
Not knowing much about her I had an open mind when I first read some of her writings but it was the first thing I thought of.
I personally think that a good share of those diagnosed with schizophrenia and other disorders are in fact demonic possession.
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Or maybe her spiritual advisor exploited her and used her. No one knows. All we know is that Divine Mercy was banned.
Now it is bigger than Easter within the Novus Ordo. Even many traditionalists are praying it in our area.
Easter is of God. Divine mercy by man.
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Or maybe her spiritual advisor exploited her and used her. No one knows. All we know is that Divine Mercy was banned.
Now it is bigger than Easter within the Novus Ordo. Even many traditionalists are praying it in our area.
Easter is of God. Divine mercy by man.
If you watch the video above, there are constant references to various spiritual directors of hers telling her that what she was experiencing was from the devil ... and in her own diary she talks about how pretty much everyone to a person did not believe in her visions or thought they were diabolical.
But, yes, I'm surprised by how many Traditional Catholics have been snookered into Divine Mercy. To me it blatantly non constat de supernaturalitate.
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Schizophrenia runs in my family so I'm very familiar the delusions of grandeur that characterizes their thinking.
Not knowing much about her I had an open mind when I first read some of her writings but it was the first thing I thought of.
I personally think that a good share of those diagnosed with schizophrenia and other disorders are in fact demonic possession.
I used to think that too, but some of the stuff there is just over the top AND her directors, fellow religious, etc. ... all kept telling her these things were from the devil ... and given the fact that they were turned into a huge part of the apostate Conciliar Antichurch, it makes me wonder. Also, the Dimond Brothers point out that she first received this alleged locution about the Divine Mercy devotion a few months after the Church's formal approval of Fatima.
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The VII church needed its own form of mysticism and private revelation to obscure and supplant Fatima as well as legitimize itself.
Medjugorje and the divine mercy fulfill that void.
I don't believe either was cooked up by the Vatican but they let both flourish and spread with a wink and a nod.
The kind of novus ordo catholic that is into one is usually into the other scam as well.
They are the catholic equivalent of evangelical megachurch christians.
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…….He was an energetic, intensely spiritual priest who was happy in his pastoral duties. But Blessed Fr. Michael Sopocko — whose feast day is Feb. 15 — could never have imagined how in 1933, when he was appointed to be confessor to the convent of the Sisters of Our Lady of Mercy in Vilnius, in present-day Lithuania, his life would change.
It was there, in a confessional, where he met Sr. Maria Faustina (1905-1938), a humble nun with a tremendous weight upon her. The Lord had begun revealing to her His message of Divine Mercy - an urgent message that He wanted her to share with the whole world. But who would believe her? At first, no one. Not her superiors in the convent and not her previous confessors.
Sister Faustina had prayed for a spiritual director, someone to help guide her, someone who understood that what she was experiencing was real. Father Sopocko was the answer to her prayers, and eventually he became the main promoter of her revelations, the very linchpin in the Lord's call to spread Divine Mercy throughout the world.
Blessed Michael Sopocko (1888-1975) was beatified Sunday, Sept. 28, 2008 in Bialystok, Poland. And with that, the world has begun to get to know the man on the other side of the confessional whom Jesus assured St. Faustina would be her "visible help ... on earth. He will help you to carry out My will on earth" (Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska, 53)………….”
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But who would believe her? At first, no one. Not her superiors in the convent and not her previous confessors.
Says something, eh? Then she prays for someone to confirm her delusions and the devil obliges by sending Father Spock.
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One should see the look on the faces of Novus Ordo conservative [sic] when I tell them in no uncertain terms that I do not believe in that our Lord appeared to Sr. Faustina, I hold her Diary to be a fictitious work, I reject her supposed canonisation, and I refuse to recite the so-called Divine Mercy Chaplet.
The jaws drop, the eyes bulge, then the fangs and venom come out: "You are not Catholic if you do not accept and follow Divine Mercy...blah...blah...blah...."
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Since the Divine Mercy chaplet is prayed on the Rosary beads, and is faster, it is largely replacing the recitation of the Rosary in the Novus Ordo.
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One should see the look on the faces of Novus Ordo conservative [sic] when I tell them in no uncertain terms that I do not believe in that our Lord appeared to Sr. Faustina, I hold her Diary to be a fictitious work, I reject her supposed canonisation, and I refuse to recite the so-called Divine Mercy Chaplet.
The jaws drop, the eyes bulge, then the fangs and venom come out: "You are not Catholic if you do not accept and follow Divine Mercy...blah...blah...blah...."
And with Medjugorje.
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And with Medjugorje.
Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed.
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One should see the look on the faces of Novus Ordo conservative [sic] when I tell them in no uncertain terms that I do not believe in that our Lord appeared to Sr. Faustina, I hold her Diary to be a fictitious work, I reject her supposed canonisation, and I refuse to recite the so-called Divine Mercy Chaplet.
The jaws drop, the eyes bulge, then the fangs and venom come out: "You are not Catholic if you do not accept and follow Divine Mercy...blah...blah...blah...."
I just said that same thing on X in reponse to a post by "Bishop" Strickland promoting DM. While I have no idea that he would ever read it, I suspect some of his devoted followers might ... and be scandalized. :laugh1:
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One should see the look on the faces of Novus Ordo conservative [sic] when I tell them in no uncertain terms that I do not believe in that our Lord appeared to Sr. Faustina, I hold her Diary to be a fictitious work, I reject her supposed canonisation, and I refuse to recite the so-called Divine Mercy Chaplet.
The jaws drop, the eyes bulge, then the fangs and venom come out: "You are not Catholic if you do not accept and follow Divine Mercy...blah...blah...blah...."
Same here. It’s an occult. The sad part is we have traditional Catholics who are becoming part of occult.
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and the people who flock to Medjugorje and pray the divine mercy will blather on about all the spiritual
blessings they have received...and then they will vote for Kamala hαɾɾιs or some other communist.
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So, the worst aspect of DM is that there's no emphasis on actual purpose and resolution of amendment. People just emote and mutter words about asking for Mercy, but in Catholic theology that means nothing without the firm purpose of amendment. I imagine a fair percentage of its practionioners like it precisely because they can continue on in whatever sin(s) they're attached to and then pretend that they will have Mercy anyway just from the chaplet. It's almost like the Prot heresy, but made more subtle so that it can be more easily imbibed by those who are inclined to accept it on account of attachment to sin. You'll have thousands of people show up at the larger Conciliar parishes for the DM devotion ... and yet they'll average a half dozen people per week at their 30-minute window for Confession each Saturday.
Catholic teaching about Divine Mercy is quite clear ... if you have a firm purpose of amendment and go to Confession, you will receive Mercy. There's zero need for this, except actually to shift the emphasis AWAY from that purpose of amendment. I'm always struck by God's Mercy after I go to Confession ... and don't need a chaplet to help me somehow believe in it.
Of course, when God reveals new devotions, it's generally to correct some disordered trend, and that's precisely why He revealed devotion to His Sacred Heart during Jansenist times, when many people did have too little confidence in God's Mercy and perhaps an excessive emphasis on His Justice. But there's no shortage of people "trusting" (aka presuming) in God's Mercy these days, and God would never confirm or add fuel to this disordered presumption by revealing such a devotion at this time.
Based on these reasons, and even the most casual perusal of Faustiuna's diary, it's 1000% certain that this is not from God. I used to think it 90% certain that it was the product of psychological illness on the part of Faustina, but I'm inclined more and more to believe that it's diabolical in origin.
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Additional reasons to suspect diabolical origin ...
"Revelation" claiming that this chaplet is the "last hope" for mankind ... uttered shortly after Our Lady of Fatima had told Sister Lucia the same thing about the Holy Rosary.
"Revelation" claiming encouraging people to say the chaplet during every free moment they have ... whereas Padre Pio said that about the Holy Rosary.
"Revelation" insisting that the chaplet be said on Rosary beads.
Between these 3, it's clearly an attempt to displace the Holy Rosary ... which the devil knows has extraordinary power in these days, per Our Lady's promises.
In addition, the devil has all but supplanted devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus with this new-agey-beam-of-light nonsense.
Now, Our Lady revealed the Holy Rosary not just so people could mutter words over and over again ... something which Our Lord actually condemned ... but because the repetition anchors part of the brain that then allows another part of the mind to be freed up toward mediatation and contemplation. It's an amazing way to teach the faithful how to engage in mental prayer. Now, the reason I believe Our Lady insisted upon 15 minutes of meditation on thy mysteries of the Holy Rosary as part of the First Saturday devotion is because many did likely develop a tendency just to mutter the words without actually using it as intended as an aid in meditation.
But given the timing, the clear intent to replace/supplant the Holy Rosary (contradicting Our Lady at Fatima), as well as the assertion about a light coming from Poland that's nearly always applied by Conciliars as some divine endorsement of Wojtyla ... I'm 90% certain that this devotion was diabolical in origin, and not just a reflection of Faustina's psychological problems. Oh, and there were also those weird incidents that might be read as an endorsement of Communion in the Hand.
I beleive that the devil used various forms of flattery (unheard of in any genuine private revelation, which usually involves Our Lord HUMBLING the recipient of the revelation, lest the revelation fill them with pride) ... where Our Lord allegedly told Faustina the she was the greatest saint who ever lived and that Our Lord was sparing the entire world on account of her, etc. ... effectively putting her on a part with Our Lady. If something appeared to me and told ME that, I'd instantly realize it was diabolical nonsense ... being a total load of BS. But the devil knew that Faustina was inclined toward pride and would just "eat this stuff up" ... whereas anyone with even a modicuм of humility, even (and especially) the greatest of saints would immeidately dismiss this as diabolical deceit. You also hear that despite being told by her confessors and fellow religious to ignore and dimiss these revelations since they were not genuince, she kept seeking "second opinions" until she got the one she wanted to hear ... from Fr. Spocko there.
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I beleive that the devil used various forms of flattery (unheard of in any genuine private revelation, which usually involves Our Lord HUMBLING the recipient of the revelation, lest the revelation fill them with pride) ... where Our Lord allegedly told Faustina the she was the greatest saint who ever lived and that Our Lord was sparing the entire world on account of her, etc. ... effectively putting her on a part with Our Lady. If something appeared to me and told ME that, I'd instantly realize it was diabolical nonsense ... being a total load of BS. But the devil knew that Faustina was inclined toward pride and would just "eat this stuff up" ... whereas anyone with even a modicuм of humility, even (and especially) the greatest of saints would immeidately dismiss this as diabolical deceit. You also hear that despite being told by her confessors and fellow religious to ignore and dimiss these revelations since they were not genuince, she kept seeking "second opinions" until she got the one she wanted to hear ... from Fr. Spocko there.
This was the very part that convinced me Faustina was delusional, the way "Christ" just went on and on heaping praise on her. Not even Paula White is that shameless in boasting about her special relationship with the Almighty. I immediately wanted to stop reading because it was so disturbing.
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This was the very part that convinced me Faustina was delusional, the way "Christ" just went on and on heaping praise on her. Not even Paula White is that shameless in boasting about her special relationship with the Almighty. I immediately wanted to stop reading because it was so disturbing.
Yeah, it was extreme to the point of being nauseating. ANYONE with even the tiniest modicuм of humility would reject that nonsense and see it for the diabolical deception it was. If some apparition of light appeared to me and told me that stuff, I'd laugh at its sulfer-stained hooves, telling it, "Surely with that angelic intellect you can do better than this." But Faustina soaked it up ... and that was what made her into a tool for spreading this deception.
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So, the worst aspect of DM is that there's no emphasis on actual purpose and resolution of amendment. People just emote and mutter words about asking for Mercy, but in Catholic theology that means nothing without the firm purpose of amendment.
Yes, there's no call to action on the part of followers, other than to ceaselessly and mindlessly utter these prayers. At least, with the purpose of amendment, the person can improve spiritually. But that's not even part of it.
What worse, is that it totally degrades the purpose of Fatima. Fatima included the purpose of amendment because the 5 first saturdays involve confession. But Fatima's main message was OTHERS. Pray for the souls in purgatory. Pray and do sacrifices for sinners. And...do PENANCE for sins.
The DM message is just some unclear, emotional, hazy idea of "mercy".
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What worse, is that it totally degrades the purpose of Fatima. Fatima included the purpose of amendment because the 5 first saturdays involve confession. But Fatima's main message was OTHERS. Pray for the souls in purgatory. Pray and do sacrifices for sinners. And...do PENANCE for sins.
Great point about praying for others ... and one that I hadn't noticed before but spot on, as it's totally absent from the DM message. While Our Lady at Fatima showed the children Hell and pleased for them to sacrifice to save souls, DM almost makes it seem as though salvation is almost assured, and Our Lord's Mercy so superabundant that very few are condemned to Hell.
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Sacred Heart of Jesus, I put my trust in Thee. Saint Pius X
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Since the Divine Mercy chaplet is prayed on the Rosary beads, and is faster, it is largely replacing the recitation of the Rosary in the Novus Ordo.
I don't mean to be contrary, but having worked in agricultural research at a Land Grant University for 15 years (as a technician and dairy herdsman, not a scientist), I can't avoid the importance of precision and accuracy, (and citing verifiable sources), not that I'm always perfect in those traits.
I don't know much about the Divine Mercy devotion (I've always had a strong devotion to the Sacred Heart) and can't comment on what is said here about it. I have no idea how long it might take to recite it.
I'm a registered parishioner in the Diocese of Spokane. In semi-retirement I work part time for a funeral home, frequently assisting with funerals at neighboring parishes in the Diocese of Yakima (and I pick up a copy of their bulletins to read). I routinely read the digital version of the Seattle Archdiocese newspaper. I believe I can accurately say that the statement quoted above is absolutely untrue. Some parish churches may have the Divine Mercy image (which I particularly don't care for), and some may (or may not) have had a procession and Holy Hour last Sunday (I was at a Ruthenian Divine Liturgy last Sunday). However, of the parishes in a thirty-mile radius of the Tri-Cities in southeastern Washington (8, and there are reports that a new parish is going to be erected), almost all have a public recited Rosaries one or more times a week. For the Vigil service the night before a funeral Mass, the Rosary is almost universally chosen by families, in lieu of or in addition to Vespers from the Office for the Dead, often followed by the Litany of Loreto. Other than last Sunday, the Divine Mercy is NEVER mentioned. So no, the chaplet is NOT replacing the recitation of the Rosary.
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In our area of east coast, it is. Most Catholic viewings, the Hoky rosary isn’t even prayed.
Good to hear that out west that they still pray the rosary at funerals.
Here in East coast, DM is like a cult. It is bigger than Easter in the local diocese. And the chaplet is prayed more than the rosary or Stations of the Cross.
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I don't know if this gentleman's youtube channel has been mentioned before but
he does some in depth videos on Polish messianism that formed the thinking of Faustina and JPII.
If the link doesn't work it's called Ascent of Mount Carmel
https://www.youtube.com/@ascentofmountcarmel438/videos (https://www.youtube.com/@ascentofmountcarmel438/videos)
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and the people who flock to Medjugorje and pray the divine mercy will blather on about all the spiritual
blessings they have received...and then they will vote for Kamala hαɾɾιs or some other communist.
Sounds like most from our area.
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John Paul II couldn’t discern much when he helped Canonize St Faustina and promote Bergolio.
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Have your devotion, fine. If someone wants to believe it in private, fine. But don't make it public and force it upon us.
They do treat Faustina like a Polish Joseph Smith of sorts—someone with a vision of something that now people are supposed to take as fact. That is the most disturbing thing about this all.
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Yeah, it was extreme to the point of being nauseating. ANYONE with even the tiniest modicuм of humility would reject that nonsense and see it for the diabolical deception it was. If some apparition of light appeared to me and told me that stuff, I'd laugh at its sulfer-stained hooves, telling it, "Surely with that angelic intellect you can do better than this." But Faustina soaked it up ... and that was what made her into a tool for spreading this deception.
Just be careful in the thought process in bold above. The devil knows exactly what nonsense to give each of us, so we fail.
I feel sorry for Sister Faustina, she was obviously dealing with something and wasn't properly taught to discern. It is sad that she was used to spread such deception.
I guess we just keep battling with prayer and penance and continue to persevere and hope in the idea that God will bring back Truth at some point. (Written mainly for myself, but hopefully others benefit as well.)
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Have your devotion, fine. If someone wants to believe it in private, fine. But don't make it public and force it upon us.
They do treat Faustina like a Polish Joseph Smith of sorts—someone with a vision of something that now people are supposed to take as fact. That is the most disturbing thing about this all.
Amen
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YB-PP2r8-ec
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IQuJF70AX3I
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Have your devotion, fine. If someone wants to believe it in private, fine. But don't make it public and force it upon us.
They do treat Faustina like a Polish Joseph Smith of sorts—someone with a vision of something that now people are supposed to take as fact. That is the most disturbing thing about this all.
The Church teaches that any private revelation or miracle that goes against Catholic teaching in the slightest degree is to be considered false and coming from the devil.
The DM has all kinds of errors and blasphemies, Catholics have a DUTY to resist evil. Most people so easily believe things they 'see' because they like it.
"Oh such and such was cured cancer by xyz devotion it must be from God". No if the devotion is contrary to Catholic doctrine it's from the devil meaning the miracle was no miracle at all and God allowed it to happen to keep people in the dark, as for why, that's up to God and not anyone else's business.
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So, the worst aspect of DM is that there's no emphasis on actual purpose and resolution of amendment.
The worst part of DM is the heresy that the Divinity can be offered.
Sr. Faustina probably was just used by masonic forces in Polish church.
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And with Medjugorje.
I can asure you that majority of Novus Ordo catholics in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina are still believe in apparitions.
There is radio station there in Medjugorje that promotes this. The wife of one of my first cousin used to work there illegaly. They didn't even employ her, payed insurance, etc. I was searching for a picture of Sacred Heart of Jesus, barely finding small one. But there are many "Divine Mercy" and "Our Lady of Medjugorje" images. It was in Ljubuški, a town near the border. They asked me if I need the receipt, they usually don't give you to avoid taxes. I was surprised because they are near the church. They built new modernist ugly church for their "praise and worship" charismatics. I didn't like that nuns and friars received Holy Communion mostly in the hand, but most of the laity still receive it on tongue. That was at least until 2019.-2020.
When I was still in Novus ordo religion, I believe in Medjugorje, went there more than twice. I didn't meet visionaries.
There is a great book in Croatian, from fr. Nikola Bulat "Istina če vas osloboditi", in eng. "The Truth will set you free" that debunks all hoax in Medjugorje. There are many citations from the diaries, statements from two bishops that opposed it, disobedience of Franciscian friars, etc. Most of my relatives and family still are deluded...
On topic, modernists can use good things for evil. They used Fatima site or church for intereligious meeting or even hindu worship. I read whole diary, there are traditional elements like doing penance, confession, adoration in front the Blessed Sacrament. But there is some questionable remarks, statements. We should trust more the condemnations rather than approval. Sadly cardinal Ottaviani also succuмb to progressivism, like archbishop Fulton Sheen.
It's not necessary, we have many older aporoved and more safe devotions that are linked with Mercy of Almighty God. So many Catholics never heard of Our Lady of Good Success, or Breton stigmatist Marie Julie Jahenny and Purple Scapular.
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The worst part of DM is the heresy that the Divinity can be offered.
Sr. Faustina probably was just used by masonic forces in Polish church.
So, that one I would maybe attribute to language or a free use of terms. I think the sense of "offering" here is more along the lines of, "I hold it up asking you to consider it ... instead of my sins." vs. any kind of true priestly offering. But one would have to see more context and the original language.
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"Oh such and such was cured cancer by xyz devotion it must be from God". No if the devotion is contrary to Catholic doctrine it's from the devil meaning the miracle was no miracle at all and God allowed it to happen to keep people in the dark, as for why, that's up to God and not anyone else's business.
There's probably no disease the devil can't cure with the knowledge of his angelic intellect ... if God permits it of course. Demons know all the causes of and solutions to any health problem. Heck they could even repair physical damage like severed spinal cords (to reverse paralysis). Just because we don't have the knowledge or the tech doesn't mean it can't be done, since anything that has a physical cause can be physically fixed given the knowhow.
That's also why I disagreed with Bishop Williamson on those alleged Eucharistic miracles. Even IF it were proven that the bread was replaced by some heart tissue (which it wasn't with those a some scientists believed they were molds, and a similar case in the US was just recently debunked as caused by mold ... with the same sequence of events as the Polish ones, where a host was dropped onto the ground, picked up and placed in the little water container. After contact with the ground it had picked up some red mold spores that then grew in the water, as mold loves moisture). ... but even IF it were proven that, yes, this is living heart tissue, the devil could easily take away a bit of the bread and bring some human heart tissue to replace it with ... perhaps swooping in during a heart surgery or something, and therefore simulating the miracle. Then even if the tissue remained "alive" for an extraordinary period of time, again, who's to say the demons don't know how to keep it animated, or just can't keep swapping it out? Childsplay for them, if God doesn't prevent it.
So the FIRST TEST of any purported miracle or private revelation is the theological assessment. If there's anything contrary to Catholic doctrine, it's immediately rejected as false (either just human fraud or diabolical in nature), or there's something very unbecoming in the behavior or moral life of the "visionary" ... regardless of how "convincing" it may appear to be. No further invetigation is needed other than if someone were trying to expose human fraud for sure to prevent people from being deceived by it.
So with the NO Eucharistic Miracles ...
I've concluded that the NOM is displeasing to God and almost certainly invalid. If that's correct, then what would the devil want more than to fool people into attending a Mass that's either invalid or valid but offensive to God? So, hmmm. he might think, what's the best way to do that. Right! Fake some Eucharistic miracle to make people believe it's pleasing to God or at least not displeasing, and then certainly valid. Therefore, I conclude that it's fake. But someone with less conviction might use it to second-guess the initial conclusion and start wavering: "Hmmm, maybe I'm wrong and the NO is valid and isn't all that displeasing to God." That's precisely the devil's goal here.
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That's also why I disagreed with Bishop Williamson on those alleged Eucharistic miracles.
+W and others jumped to many illogical conclusions with these "miracles". Even if they were miracles, it doesn't mean that God approves of the new mass; it just means that *some* of the consecrations are valid and Our Lord is present.
For the 4,000x, a valid consecration DOES NOT EQUAL a pleasing, holy new mass. I don't understand why so many Trads can't accept this.
If these "miracles" were legit, it's more likely that God was giving one last gasp of "faith" to those in the new church, who have all but lost their faith in most everything, including his Real Presence.
God answers the prayers of protestants all the time. Does this mean He approves of protestantism? Of course not.
And a eucharistic miracle does not mean He approves of the new mass. It would simply mean that *some* valid consecrations are still taking place.
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+W and others jumped to many illogical conclusions with these "miracles". Even if they were miracles, it doesn't mean that God approves of the new mass; it just means that *some* of the consecrations are valid and Our Lord is present.
For the 4,000x, a valid consecration DOES NOT EQUAL a pleasing, holy new mass. I don't understand why so many Trads can't accept this.
If these "miracles" were legit, it's more likely that God was giving one last gasp of "faith" to those in the new church, who have all but lost their faith in most everything, including his Real Presence.
God answers the prayers of protestants all the time. Does this mean He approves of protestantism? Of course not.
And a eucharistic miracle does not mean He approves of the new mass. It would simply mean that *some* valid consecrations are still taking place.
So, firstly, I don't see where +Williamson concluded anything other than that the NOM can be valid, i.e. that the Rite did not intrinsically invalidate the Mass.
But I disagree with concluding that the miracles even might be genuine ... where you say, IF they're genuine, then "it just means". You can't assume or even accept that premise without the Church's judgment, and the default Catholic position is they're fake unless the Church determines otherwise (and even then you're not required to accept them). So there's zero conclusion to be made.
Finally, I disagree in that it's not at all unreasonable to draw the conclusion that God might not be completely displeased with the NOM if He works a miracle, since the thinking is, "Well, why would God give people the impression that it might not be displeasing to Him by working miracles?" That's an easy speculation to make.
Consequently, if the Mass displeases God, there's no way He would give people that impression. Since the Mass displeases God, those miracles were fake (either not miracles of diabolical trickery). As it turns out, there's increasing evidence that the red coloration was due to mold growth. So much for jumping to conclusions while accepting them as genuine.
So, let me ask you this. Have you ever heard of a genuine / proven Eucharistic miracle taking place among the Orthodox? We know that their Liturgy / Mass is valid, so, since that's all that God is trying to communicate with miracle, why not, right? Well, the why not is because it might give the impression to people that Orthodoxy is pleasing to or at least not completely unacceptable to God. I researched it ... looking even on Orthodox forums. I've seen no evidence whatsoever anywhere of Eucharistic miracles taking place among the Orthodox.
Does this constitute solid proof that God would not work a miracle during a Mass that displeases Him? No, not hard proof ... but it's not at all unreasonable to draw that inference from it, and God would not mislead or confuse souls that way. ERGO, God would not work a miracle for a Liturgy / Mass that displeases Him. ERGO, the NOM does not dispelase God.
Except we know that it does, for theological and doctrinal reasons. We therefore conclude the purported miracles are fakes (either with a natural explanation or a diabolical artifice). Let's say the SSPX et al. are wrong and the NOM is intrinsically invalid. Well, if I'm the devil, I want people going to invalid Masses. So let's fake some miracle to give people the impression that it's valid, since that would mean it's valid ... per your reasoning.
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This is the AI summary, and even this is a stretch, since I found NOTHING among the Orthodox, and I've even looked around where the question was asked on Orthodox forums and zilch, zero, nada.
While specific cases of Eucharistic miracles within the Orthodox tradition might be less docuмented than those in the Catholic Church, there are still reports of various miraculous events associated with the Eucharist. These may include healings, the miraculous preservation of bread and wine, or even the appearance of the bread and wine in unusual ways.
Some some alleged healings, some alleged noncorruption of bread/wine (for how long? ... where there preservatives involved, as McDonald's burgers are known to remain incorrrupt for decades), and what's this "unusual appearance". That's the best that AI could come up with scouring the internet, and I've not found anything either.
So why not?
I mean, the argument is (from +Williamson and others), that God might work them to increase faith in the Real Presence. Why not increae the faith of the Orthodox in the Real Presence? Well because the latter are in error, and God would not encourage the error. How about the Novus Ordo? So God would then give countenance to the Novus Ordo erros and the Novus Ordo Mass ... as at least the Orthodox Liturgy is not intrinsically displeasing (in terms of its Ritual).
Online I see multiple copes from the Orthodox by claiming there are healings associated with their Real Presence, and things like "every consecration is a miracle", and one attempt to claim that Eucharistic miracles are worked by God to rebuke or admonish people that are displeasing Him (using it to conclude that Catholics have these miracles because they displease God).