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Offline Gray2023

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Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2025, 05:13:25 PM »
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  • Yeah, it was extreme to the point of being nauseating.  ANYONE with even the tiniest modicuм of humility would reject that nonsense and see it for the diabolical deception it was.  If some apparition of light appeared to me and told me that stuff, I'd laugh at its sulfer-stained hooves, telling it, "Surely with that angelic intellect you can do better than this."  But Faustina soaked it up ... and that was what made her into a tool for spreading this deception.
    Just be careful in the thought process in bold above.  The devil knows exactly what nonsense to give each of us, so we fail. 

    I feel sorry for Sister Faustina, she was obviously dealing with something and wasn't properly taught to discern.  It is sad that she was used to spread such deception.

    I guess we just keep battling with prayer and penance and continue to persevere and hope in the idea that God will bring back Truth at some point.  (Written mainly for myself, but hopefully others benefit as well.)
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #31 on: April 28, 2025, 05:52:31 PM »
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  • Have your devotion, fine. If someone wants to believe it in private, fine. But don't make it public and force it upon us.

    They do treat Faustina like a Polish Joseph Smith of sorts—someone with a vision of something that now people are supposed to take as fact. That is the most disturbing thing about this all.
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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #32 on: April 28, 2025, 05:55:18 PM »
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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #33 on: April 28, 2025, 06:07:55 PM »
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    Offline AnthonyPadua

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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #34 on: April 28, 2025, 08:44:38 PM »
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  • Have your devotion, fine. If someone wants to believe it in private, fine. But don't make it public and force it upon us.

    They do treat Faustina like a Polish Joseph Smith of sorts—someone with a vision of something that now people are supposed to take as fact. That is the most disturbing thing about this all.
    The Church teaches that any private revelation or miracle that goes against Catholic teaching in the slightest degree is to be considered false and coming from the devil.

    The DM has all kinds of errors and blasphemies, Catholics have a DUTY to resist evil. Most people so easily believe things they 'see' because they like it.

    "Oh such and such was cured cancer by xyz devotion it must be from God". No if the devotion is contrary to Catholic doctrine it's from the devil meaning the miracle was no miracle at all and God allowed it to happen to keep people in the dark, as for why, that's up to God and not anyone else's business.


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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #35 on: April 28, 2025, 08:56:27 PM »
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  • So, the worst aspect of DM is that there's no emphasis on actual purpose and resolution of amendment.
    The worst part of DM is the heresy that the Divinity can be offered.

    Sr. Faustina probably was just used by masonic forces in Polish church.

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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #36 on: Yesterday at 01:07:37 PM »
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  • And with Medjugorje.
    I can asure you that majority of Novus Ordo catholics in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina are still believe in apparitions. 
    There is radio station there in Medjugorje that promotes this. The wife of one of my first cousin used to work there illegaly. They didn't even employ her, payed insurance, etc. I was searching for a picture of Sacred Heart of Jesus, barely finding small one. But there are many "Divine Mercy" and "Our Lady of Medjugorje" images. It was in Ljubuški, a town near the border. They asked me if I need the receipt, they usually don't give you to avoid taxes. I was surprised because they are near the church. They built new modernist ugly church for their "praise and worship" charismatics. I didn't like that nuns and friars received Holy Communion mostly in the hand, but most of the laity still receive it on tongue. That was at least until 2019.-2020. 
    When I was still in Novus ordo religion, I believe in Medjugorje, went there more than twice. I didn't meet visionaries. 
    There is a great book in Croatian, from fr. Nikola Bulat "Istina če vas osloboditi", in eng. "The Truth will set you free" that debunks all hoax in Medjugorje. There are many citations from the diaries, statements from two bishops that opposed it, disobedience of Franciscian friars, etc. Most of my relatives and family still are deluded...

    On topic, modernists can use good things for evil. They used Fatima site or church for intereligious meeting or even hindu worship. I read whole diary, there are traditional elements like doing penance, confession, adoration in front the Blessed Sacrament. But there is some questionable remarks, statements. We should trust more the condemnations rather than approval. Sadly cardinal Ottaviani also succuмb to progressivism, like archbishop Fulton Sheen.

    It's not necessary, we have many older aporoved and more safe devotions that are linked with Mercy of Almighty God. So many Catholics never heard of Our Lady of Good Success, or Breton stigmatist Marie Julie Jahenny and Purple Scapular. 


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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #37 on: Yesterday at 01:16:41 PM »
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  • The worst part of DM is the heresy that the Divinity can be offered.

    Sr. Faustina probably was just used by masonic forces in Polish church.

    So, that one I would maybe attribute to language or a free use of terms.  I think the sense of "offering" here is more along the lines of, "I hold it up asking you to consider it ... instead of my sins." vs. any kind of true priestly offering.  But one would have to see more context and the original language.


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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #38 on: Yesterday at 01:48:52 PM »
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  • "Oh such and such was cured cancer by xyz devotion it must be from God". No if the devotion is contrary to Catholic doctrine it's from the devil meaning the miracle was no miracle at all and God allowed it to happen to keep people in the dark, as for why, that's up to God and not anyone else's business.

    There's probably no disease the devil can't cure with the knowledge of his angelic intellect ... if God permits it of course.  Demons know all the causes of and solutions to any health problem.  Heck they could even repair physical damage like severed spinal cords (to reverse paralysis).  Just because we don't have the knowledge or the tech doesn't mean it can't be done, since anything that has a physical cause can be physically fixed given the knowhow.

    That's also why I disagreed with Bishop Williamson on those alleged Eucharistic miracles.  Even IF it were proven that the bread was replaced by some heart tissue (which it wasn't with those a some scientists believed they were molds, and a similar case in the US was just recently debunked as caused by mold ... with the same sequence of events as the Polish ones, where a host was dropped onto the ground, picked up and placed in the little water container.  After contact with the ground it had picked up some red mold spores that then grew in the water, as mold loves moisture). ... but even IF it were proven that, yes, this is living heart tissue, the devil could easily take away a bit of the bread and bring some human heart tissue to replace it with ... perhaps swooping in during a heart surgery or something, and therefore simulating the miracle.  Then even if the tissue remained "alive" for an extraordinary period of time, again, who's to say the demons don't know how to keep it animated, or just can't keep swapping it out?  Childsplay for them, if God doesn't prevent it.

    So the FIRST TEST of any purported miracle or private revelation is the theological assessment.  If there's anything contrary to Catholic doctrine, it's immediately rejected as false (either just human fraud or diabolical in nature), or there's something very unbecoming in the behavior or moral life of the "visionary" ... regardless of how "convincing" it may appear to be.  No further invetigation is needed other than if someone were trying to expose human fraud for sure to prevent people from being deceived by it.

    So with the NO Eucharistic Miracles ...

    I've concluded that the NOM is displeasing to God and almost certainly invalid.  If that's correct, then what would the devil want more than to fool people into attending a Mass that's either invalid or valid but offensive to God?  So, hmmm. he might think, what's the best way to do that.  Right!  Fake some Eucharistic miracle to make people believe it's pleasing to God or at least not displeasing, and then certainly valid.  Therefore, I conclude that it's fake.  But someone with less conviction might use it to second-guess the initial conclusion and start wavering:  "Hmmm, maybe I'm wrong and the NO is valid and isn't all that displeasing to God."  That's precisely the devil's goal here.

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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #39 on: Yesterday at 02:56:57 PM »
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    That's also why I disagreed with Bishop Williamson on those alleged Eucharistic miracles.
    +W and others jumped to many illogical conclusions with these "miracles".  Even if they were miracles, it doesn't mean that God approves of the new mass; it just means that *some* of the consecrations are valid and Our Lord is present.  

    For the 4,000x, a valid consecration DOES NOT EQUAL a pleasing, holy new mass.  I don't understand why so many Trads can't accept this. 

    If these "miracles" were legit, it's more likely that God was giving one last gasp of "faith" to those in the new church, who have all but lost their faith in most everything, including his Real Presence.

    God answers the prayers of protestants all the time.  Does this mean He approves of protestantism?  Of course not.

    And a eucharistic miracle does not mean He approves of the new mass.  It would simply mean that *some* valid consecrations are still taking place.

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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #40 on: Yesterday at 05:14:19 PM »
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  • +W and others jumped to many illogical conclusions with these "miracles".  Even if they were miracles, it doesn't mean that God approves of the new mass; it just means that *some* of the consecrations are valid and Our Lord is present. 

    For the 4,000x, a valid consecration DOES NOT EQUAL a pleasing, holy new mass.  I don't understand why so many Trads can't accept this. 

    If these "miracles" were legit, it's more likely that God was giving one last gasp of "faith" to those in the new church, who have all but lost their faith in most everything, including his Real Presence.

    God answers the prayers of protestants all the time.  Does this mean He approves of protestantism?  Of course not.

    And a eucharistic miracle does not mean He approves of the new mass.  It would simply mean that *some* valid consecrations are still taking place.

    So, firstly, I don't see where +Williamson concluded anything other than that the NOM can be valid, i.e. that the Rite did not intrinsically invalidate the Mass.

    But I disagree with concluding that the miracles even might be genuine ... where you say, IF they're genuine, then "it just means".  You can't assume or even accept that premise without the Church's judgment, and the default Catholic position is they're fake unless the Church determines otherwise (and even then you're not required to accept them).  So there's zero conclusion to be made.

    Finally, I disagree in that it's not at all unreasonable to draw the conclusion that God might not be completely displeased with the NOM if He works a miracle, since the thinking is, "Well, why would God give people the impression that it might not be displeasing to Him by working miracles?"  That's an easy speculation to make.

    Consequently, if the Mass displeases God, there's no way He would give people that impression.  Since the Mass displeases God, those miracles were fake (either not miracles of diabolical trickery).  As it turns out, there's increasing evidence that the red coloration was due to mold growth.  So much for jumping to conclusions while accepting them as genuine.

    So, let me ask you this.  Have you ever heard of a genuine / proven Eucharistic miracle taking place among the Orthodox?  We know that their Liturgy / Mass is valid, so, since that's all that God is trying to communicate with miracle, why not, right?  Well, the why not is because it might give the impression to people that Orthodoxy is pleasing to or at least not completely unacceptable to God.  I researched it ... looking even on Orthodox forums.  I've seen no evidence whatsoever anywhere of Eucharistic miracles taking place among the Orthodox.

    Does this constitute solid proof that God would not work a miracle during a Mass that displeases Him?  No, not hard proof ... but it's not at all unreasonable to draw that inference from it, and God would not mislead or confuse souls that way.  ERGO, God would not work a miracle for a Liturgy / Mass that displeases Him.  ERGO, the NOM does not dispelase God.

    Except we know that it does, for theological and doctrinal reasons.  We therefore conclude the purported miracles are fakes (either with a natural explanation or a diabolical artifice).  Let's say the SSPX et al. are wrong and the NOM is intrinsically invalid.  Well, if I'm the devil, I want people going to invalid Masses.  So let's fake some miracle to give people the impression that it's valid, since that would mean it's valid ... per your reasoning.


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    Re: Sister "Faustina" and DM
    « Reply #41 on: Yesterday at 05:21:11 PM »
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  • This is the AI summary, and even this is a stretch, since I found NOTHING among the Orthodox, and I've even looked around where the question was asked on Orthodox forums and zilch, zero, nada.

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    While specific cases of Eucharistic miracles within the Orthodox tradition might be less docuмented than those in the Catholic Church, there are still reports of various miraculous events associated with the Eucharist. These may include healings, the miraculous preservation of bread and wine, or even the appearance of the bread and wine in unusual ways.

    Some some alleged healings, some alleged noncorruption of bread/wine (for how long? ... where there preservatives involved, as McDonald's burgers are known to remain incorrrupt for decades), and what's this "unusual appearance".  That's the best that AI could come up with scouring the internet, and I've not found anything either.

    So why not?

    I mean, the argument is (from +Williamson and others), that God might work them to increase faith in the Real Presence.  Why not increae the faith of the Orthodox in the Real Presence?  Well because the latter are in error, and God would not encourage the error.  How about the Novus Ordo?  So God would then give countenance to the Novus Ordo erros and the Novus Ordo Mass ... as at least the Orthodox Liturgy is not intrinsically displeasing (in terms of its Ritual).

    Online I see multiple copes from the Orthodox by claiming there are healings associated with their Real Presence, and things like "every consecration is a miracle", and one attempt to claim that Eucharistic miracles are worked by God to rebuke or admonish people that are displeasing Him (using it to conclude that Catholics have these miracles because they displease God).