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Also of note, and not of little importance:

Siscoe treats the idea of a "heretic pope" (I.e. A pope who loses his office due to heresy) but this really isn't the route he should be taking, since with Ratzinger and Bergoglio ( and probably JPII as well) the argument isn't really that they lost the office but that they were never even validly elected to begin with. Understanding this undermines his entire argument, which is steeped in misconstrued legalisms surrounding the removal of such a man who was pope but is no longer. If the man was never pope to begin with, that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish, as they say.

I've been thinking a lot about whether there is a position or program of Catholic counter-revolution that avoids the pitfalls of both SV and R&R: Those pitfalls being division; internecine warfare; cafeteria defense of pet errors; failure to recognize, comprehend, defend, and teach the entire Deposit of Faith; growing ignorance among clergy and layfolk; stagnation of Catholic action; contraction - both numerical and doctrinal.

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For the supernatural love of yourself; realize that if the 'Trad Movement' is dead, that you are really 'required' to follow the obligations to save your soul. If anything, it will be more meritorious to fight for the glory of God during these times. Add too a merciful consideration at your personal judgment during your life's review before God -- that is, if you persevere till the end.

Yes, the 'Trad Movement' practically is dead. It is our own fault. It lacks sufficient love. We've ignored the principle of God "Who wills that all men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth."  Tim 2:4.  -- This passage as explained by St. Thomas (Commentary on I Timothy): "The answer is that willing refers sometimes to the will of His good pleasure and sometimes to the signified will. By His signified will He wills to save all, because He offers to all the precepts, counsels, and remedies required for salvation." pg. 264

We (Catholics) no longer put into practice being conduits of God's grace to the unbeliever. We are too insular, to judgmental of different people without a framework of supernatural loving to try to be force to stop them from going to hell forever. The Trad movement, to an unfortunate degree is  fruitless, sterile, and is more about 'religiosity' than learning how to get over our insecurities, introversion to at least improve (even if it's a little bit) in how we can be the salt of the earth by our actions to those who don't believe.

You can know all the Theology in the world, be right on all of the positions, yet go straight to Hell, because you lacked charity -- ie "He who has My commandments, and keeps them; he it is who loves Me. And he who loves Me, will be loved by my Father: and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him." John 14:21. This passage as explained by St. Thomas (Commentary on the Gospel of John): "Note that true love is love which appears and proves itself by actions: for love is revealed by actions. Since to love someone is to will that person something good and to desire what this person wants, one does not seem to truly love a person if he does not accomplish the will of the beloved or do what he knows this person wants. And so one who does not do the Will of God does not seem to truly love Him. Thus He says, he who has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves Me, that is, with a true love for Me." Which ties in to...

"By this will all men know that you are My disciples, if you have love one for another." John 13:35. Again, using St. Thomas' explanation: "Then when He says, by this will all men know that you are My disciples, He gives the reason for following this command: Here we should note that one who is in the army of a King should wear this emblem. The emblem of Christ is the emblem of charity. So anyone who wants to be in the army of Christ should be stamped with the emblem of charity. This is what He is saying here: by this will all men know that you are my disciples..." pg. 220. which goes into

To be ready to explain to anyone who asks, that Christ founded a Church to continue His saving mission. In this respect, supernatural love of neighbor, is going to will what is best for their eternal destiny. In this, we are all called to contribute in this saving mission of Christ. To each person, their calling is different. For some it might be at home or Church praying for the conversion of sinners and offering your Crosses, ...for another, it might be planting a seed to a pagan and by your actions, showing them the reason for our hope in Christ and then being ready for discourse. At some level, familarity with Bible passages since that is the common ground between us an Protestants. Here, I will say that the Dimond's "The Bible Proves the Teachings of the Catholic Church" is extremely useful (don't worry, doesn't go into the Sede issues/ or BOD stuff; it's purely the biblical basis for the Catholic teachings on like the Papacy, Confession, Purgatory; etc.).

On the SV issue and the BOD issue; both take precious time away from each individual in the Trad movement into taking their practice of the Faith to the next level... or into never stop making improvements in how they love God and proving it by their actions (by not sinning and by keeping the Commandments and the great precepts to love God and our Neighbor as our self).

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Recommended reading on the matter of who is and isn't a member: http://www.scribd.com/doc/224429380/Van-Noort-Vol-2-Members-of-the-Church

Mith, I really appreciate the opportunity to read this.  Can you give the title of the work?  Is is purchasable today or out of print?

Magna,

Pleased that you found it helpful!  I scanned it because I think it is the best summary of the doctrine I've come across.  The book is "Dogmatic Theology Volume 2: Christ's Church" by Mgr. G. Van Noort.  It is the second in a three volume series.  The book is out of print, though second-hand copies can be found easily enough on Amazon, Abe Books or Ebay.  Typically they seem to go for around twenty USD per volume, and the third volume is often closer to forty USD.  However, I found some book sellers on Amazon who apparently didn't know what they had and was able to get each copy for around 10 USD (shipping included) so I ended up with a set for at least half of what one would normally pay.  Point being, if you can afford it at the steeper prices go for it; if you can't, patience will reward you and you might find someone selling them pretty cheap.

Some other sections of the book are online, though not as scans.  If you go back to the scribd link, I've also scanned a few pages from the same author on the Ordinary Universal Magisterium that you can find by clicking on my screen name on the scribd site (I believe I titled it "Van Noort on the OUM").  Otherwise, strobertbellarmine.net has uploaded the chapters on infallibility and a few marks of the Church in text format.  Here is a link: http://www.strobertbellarmine.net/doctrine.html (in this link there is also the entire of Wilhelm and Scannel's two volume work, transcribed in full, and other useful resources).

ETA: http://www.scribd.com/doc/226459823/Van-Noort-on-the-OUM <-- Link to the aforementioned section on the OUM.  It's only three pages, since when I scanned it the point of contention was the nature of the teaching authority of the bishops together with the pope-- hence why I stopped scanning at "ecuмenical councils."