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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: LoneWolf1988 on May 13, 2025, 01:21:18 PM
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[size=-0]The monk Rudolfo Gilthier made the following prophecy in 1765. The French text was found in the Augustine Library in Rome:[/size][/color]
[size=-0]"From the Middle of the Twentieth Century on, there will be uprisings in all parts of Europe. The Republics will be upheaved. Kings, the Great, and Priests will be killed and Padres and Nuns will leave their Cloister. Hunger, Epidemics and Earthquakes will destroy numerous cities.[/size][/color]
[size=-0]"Rome will lose its Sceptre through following False Prophets. The Pope will be taken Prisoner by his attendants. The Church will be held hostage, and after a short time there will be no more Pope.[/size][/color]
[size=-0]"A Prince from the East with a great Army will move throughout Europe. The Republicans will be annihilated through the Rebellions. His Cross will be for God, he will fight for the Christian teachings and the Orthodox Belief, and he will subjugate the Kingdom of Mohammed. He will be a new Knight of the Faith, and Peace will be regained in the World."[/size][/color]
[size=-0]You guys think this is legit?[/size][/color]
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Reposted for clarity
11. Rudolfo Gilthier ~
The monk Rudolfo Gilthier made the following prophecy in 1765. The French text was found in the Augustine Library in Rome:
"From the Middle of the Twentieth Century on, there will be uprisings in all parts of Europe. The Republics will be upheaved. Kings, the Great, and Priests will be killed and Padres and Nuns will leave their Cloister. Hunger, Epidemics and Earthquakes will destroy numerous cities.
"Rome will lose its Sceptre through following False Prophets. The Pope will be taken Prisoner by his attendants. The Church will be held hostage, and after a short time there will be no more Pope.
"A Prince from the East with a great Army will move throughout Europe. The Republicans will be annihilated through the Rebellions. His Cross will be for God, he will fight for the Christian teachings and the Orthodox Belief, and he will subjugate the Kingdom of Mohammed. He will be a new Knight of the Faith, and Peace will be regained in the World."
You guys think this is legit?
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Thank you,i don't know why it did that :facepalm:
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Reposted for clarity
This lines up with every major prophecy regarding the Holy Monarch. Church/society in chaos. cινιℓ ωαrs and natural disasters. God sends a leader to win battles. A pope is miraculously identified/elected amidst all the chaos (or after it’s over).
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Might be legit, but it's rather cryptic. COULD refer to Cardinal Siri of course. There are numerous prophecies about two popes, a true pope and a false pope. Now this one is different in that it appears to give a timeline that could only refer to Siri, whereas with the others that do not, it could be some future scenario also.
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Thank you,i don't know why it did that :facepalm:
Just captured the text markup that isn't always visible when you copy it but only after you paste it in.
There's a little button that looks like an A with a minus sign in a red circle where if you select the text and click that button, it'll remove all such fomatting from it.
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"Rome will lose its Sceptre through following False Prophets. The Pope will be taken Prisoner by his attendants. The Church will be held hostage, and after a short time there will be no more Pope.
I don't think this refers to Siri. There are other prophecies that talk about a holy pope getting elected, then the muslims invade rome and he must flee the city. Then the evil guys in rome tell everyone the good pope died and they elect a bad pope. There is a massive schism. The good pope signals that he's alive and is then killed. But a successor good pope is elected immediately. All the while, war is raging everywhere. Similar to St Don Bosco's vision of the boats during the ocean storm.
I think this refers to that period.
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Thank you,i don't know why it did that :facepalm:
It happens regularly here. Here's the fix. (https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/the-wisest-thing-ever-said-on-cathinfo/msg965795/?topicseen#msg965795)
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Our Lady at Fatima referred to an Apostasy that would begin at the top (as reported by Cardinal Siri, who had read it), one that would become "clearer" in 1960. Fr. Amorth repoted that Padre Pio told him the Third Secret was about an Antichurch.
What could it be that happened right around 1960? To paraphgase Church Lady ... could it be .... Vatican II?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_mePjkQW_c
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But it's interesting that it says that church will follow false prophets (Vatican II antipopes)? and real pope is held hostage.But to me what is interesting in Siri thesis that,St.Peter denied our Lord three times in front of people,so did Siri also did that out of fear for his life? He stayed silent and you can say he fled while church was in crisis.So after chastisement future pope must acknowledge our Lord three times,as did St Peter after resurrection.
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Oh wow, great point. If you look at the number of popes who could’ve done the consecration of Russia, it was 3 - Benedict XV, Pius XI and Pius XII. They all “denied” the Fatima request.
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Just another translation.
A couple of web sites say : before the middle of the XIX Century...
Also the terms philosophers / prophets are interchangeable according to 2 sites.
Google translate.
https://scaturrex.eu/2022/07/07/prophetie-de-rodolfo-gilthier-1675/
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This prophecy, written in August 1675, appeared in the "Revue des Deux Mondes" on September 15, 1855. Here is the translation of the Latin text:
"Before the middle of the 19th century, there will be ѕєdιтισns on all sides of Europe;
Republics will arise;
There will be kings, nobles, and priests put to death, and religious will abandon their convents;
Famines, plagues, and earthquakes will devastate cities in great numbers;
Rome will lose its scepter through the persecution of false prophets.
The Pope will become the captive of his subjects;
The Church of God will be subjected to tribute and stripped of its temporal goods;
After a short time, there will be no more Pope;
A prince from the North (Aquilon) will travel through Europe with a large army;
He will overthrow the republics and exterminate the rebels;
His sword, held by God, will defend the Church of Christ, exalt the Orthodox faith, and subdue the empire of Mohammed;
A new pastor, that of the faith, called from the shore by a heavenly sign, will come in the simplicity of heart and the knowledge of Christ;
And peace will be restored to the world...."
Almost identical...who has the original Latin?
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Where’s the part about the Great Monarch capturing and redistributing all the Gentiles’ assets stolen by the jews?
:popcorn:
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Well if we survive the chastisement,we are going to see it.But I would rather see the holy pope condemn all this nonsense.
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why didn't cardinal Siri eventually tell the truth about him being usurped from the papacy and blackmailed or threatened, especially right before he died? by then he would have nothing to lose nor fear to tell the truth.
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why didn't cardinal Siri eventually tell the truth about him being usurped from the papacy and blackmailed or threatened, especially right before he died? by then he would have nothing to lose nor fear to tell the truth.
A priest just told me that the Cardinals take an oath of secrecy in a Conclave - probably this is common knowledge. Then, if anything is leaked about the goings on at the Conclave, somebody is guilty of perjury. Serious sin anyway. Wouldn't life be simpler if any inside privileged info about any conclave was dismissed on grounds of perjury? Accessory to a sin by spreading the "rumors"? Jus' sayin'
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Siri was asked about what happened in some interviews toward the end of his life.
He would not answer the question and said that he's "bound by the secret". So he felt himself bound by the solemn oath to not reveal what took place. He added that some very grave things had taken place at the conclaves that he could write books about, but that he couldn't talk due to the oath. What grave things that could fill books? Cardinals arguing about who the best candidate was? Cardinals telling Roncalli to cut down on desert so he could fit into one of the papal cassocks without their having to damage it?
In fact, after the Roncalli conclave, Roncalli forbade the Cardinals to leave immediately under pain of excommunication so he could have a post-conclave meeting ... probably to hush up what had taken place. Two Cardinals didn't get the memo, and so they left ... and were promptly declared excommunicated by Tisserant.
I think most people believe he's mistaken there, that he would not be bound by the secret if such grave things happened.
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So, other objections to Siri Theory ...
1) Siri lost the papal office since he accepted Vatican II.
2) Siri was a coward.
3) Was Siri unaware that he was the pope? If not, how could that be?
Respondeo:
1) There are many people who accept V2 without pertinaciously adhering to any error in it, much less to any heretical proposition. Simply being in material error about V2 does cause loss of membership (and therefore loss of office) in the Church. No one has ever produced a single heretical proposition ever uttered by Siri.
2) So? That has nothing to do with whether he was pope. Apart from that, it's very easy for our valiant armchair keyboard warriors to declare this. Let's say someone threatened to exterminate your entire extended family or threatened to kill all bishops and priests behind the Iron curtain or to nuke the Vatican (various opinions about the nature of said threat that are out there). Until you're in that situation, just shut up about accusing anyone else of cowardice. I'd like to think that I wouldn't cave, and perhaps if he felt it was a matter of faith, where they threatened these things unless he rejected Christ, perhaps at that point he would not have given in. But just to be pope? He may have thought it was just political and not a matter of faith, where they didn't like him for one reason or another. He's reported to have said in response to these threats: "If you don't want me, pick someone else." He may not really have wanted to be pope anyway. He didn't think perhaps that this would result in the selection of an AntiPope, but just some other guy they wanted instead of him (as per his comment).
3) You can be mistaken about an assessment of your own state, and in fact often are. So Siri gets threatened. He steps down. Since in his mind, he may not really have wanted to be pope anyway and knowing that he has free will ... he judged it inside his own mind to have been an act of free will. And it was on one level. Even if I'm under grave pressure, I could still say no ... and whatever I do would still ultimately be an act of free will, and in one sense a free choice. But that is not the sense or meaning of Canon Law, when it says that resignations made under duress are invalid. EVERY RESIGNATION just as every human act is an act of FREE WILL. Even if I had a gun to my head, I could say no and take the bullet. Of course, in that case they would have forced me to "resign" via the bullet anyway. Yet that is not what is intended. Basically, if you WOULD NOT HAVE RESIGNED were it not for the duress, that's legally not considered a free resignation (even if ultimately in an absolutely sense it's still an act of free will, since you can say no). But that line between the two can blur in your own mind, especially if you were reluctant to accept in the first place.
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If the two got excommunicated, then John XXIII must have been Pope to wield such authority. Or at least the cardinals didn't know what was going on regarding Siri. What happened to those cardinals? A quick apology and the excommunication lifted?
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Whether or not Siri was elected we'll never know.
If he was and then turned it down he was a coward and
unfit to be pope, bishop or even a priest.
As a bishop he is expected to lay down his life for his flock.
I don't buy that a bunch of effeminate
freemasons told him in front everyone in the Sistine Chapel
that he and/or his family would be killed unless
he stepped aside. If they did there could have been any number of
ways to deal with them. As pope he would have his own personal
security team. He could have picked up the phone and asked for
the protection from the Italian government...or any number of
foreign governments. Or called upon the assistance of roughly
a BILLION loyal Catholics who would have volunteered to protect
him 24/7.
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If he was and then turned it down he was a coward and
unfit to be pope, bishop or even a priest.
Yeah, here comes the keyboard armchair warrior. I already anticipated this. Let's have someone threatent the lives of your entire extended family or all the priests and bishops behind the Iron Curtain. Heck, if they threatened your life with one or another cruel torture, you'd probably piss your pants and without the grace of God would reject the faith.
Sit there all you want, sanctimonious, high and mighty and declare him a coward. So what, lame-brain? We've had selfish, self-absorbed, cowardly popes throughout the Church's history, some degenerates ... none of that makes them non-popes.
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Whether or not Siri was elected we'll never know.
You now this, how ... of prophet?
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At the end of the day, we don't know what Siri faced and God alone will judge the degree of sin he committed, etc. etc.
But are you too moronic to understand that whatever the case may be is entirely irrelevant.
What's at issue is WHY Angelo Roncalli and/or Giobanni Battista Montini were non-popes.
SVism chokes and can't provide an answer. Why? Because no one has ever produced a single shred of evidence that Montini was a manifest heretic outside his teaching at Vatican II. Not one. I've been challenging for years.
So the "manifest heresy" angle results in epic fail.
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If the two got excommunicated, then John XXIII must have been Pope to wield such authority. Or at least the cardinals didn't know what was going on regarding Siri. What happened to those cardinals? A quick apology and the excommunication lifted?
Sigh ... he could simulate the wielding of papal authority, just as he simulated teaching authority at Vatican II.
As for whether the other Cardinals not knowing what was going on, this has been dealt with. Most likely what happened is that after he accepted, in the "Room of Tears", there are probably only a small handful in there. Those go in, issue the threats, and then Siri comes out and says that he's changed his mind and is stepping down. Nobody but a few had to know the details of what transpired in there.
Nevertheless, the fact of acceptance and then a "resignation" within minutes ... would have caused quite a stir, and it's likely what Roncalli held the after-conclave meeting about, for people not to leak it out that Siri had accepted then resigned, since it would cause consternation among the faithful, ahem, especially after people would have started digging more into what happened and possibly uncovered the truth.
So Roncalli gave strict orders for no one to speak of the "irregularity". In fact, I think it may have been Siri or some other Cardinal involved who use the term "irregularity".
... and all that of course calls to mind the prophecy of St. Francis of Assisi about the "uncanonically elected pope" who turns out to be a destroyer.
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(N)o one has ever produced a single shred of evidence that Montini was a manifest heretic outside his teaching at Vatican II. Not one. I've been challenging for years.
I presume you know of and have read Liber Accusationis in Paulum Sextum.
When you say there is no evidence of his being a manifest heretic, do you limit your meaning to his "official" teachings, utterances, etc? What if he spouted endless heresy outside of such numerically minimal activities? Would that have no consequences?
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Yeah, here comes the keyboard armchair warrior. I already anticipated this. Let's have someone threatent the lives of your entire extended family or all the priests and bishops behind the Iron Curtain. Heck, if they threatened your life with one or another cruel torture, you'd probably piss your pants and without the grace of God would reject the faith.
Sit there all you want, sanctimonious, high and mighty and declare him a coward. So what, lame-brain? We've had selfish, self-absorbed, cowardly popes throughout the Church's history, some degenerates ... none of that makes them non-popes.
Not only my life but the lives of my immediate family weren't simply threatened with words but with actual gunfire.
In total I've been shot at on two separate occasions. I've also had someone try to stab me to death.
And no, I didn't piss my pants. In fact, the complete absurdity of it amused me.
My faith and the well being of Christ's one true Church wasn't even on the line...so I'll repeat, if Siri was elected and caved he had no business ever taking up the crozier. The potential for martyrdom goes with the territory.
From why I've gleaned reading your otherwise insightful posts on doctrine and church history you were a former seminarian. It's probably a good thing you couldn't cut it at priest as you clearly lack patience, humility and the ability to hold your tongue given your propensity to hurl invective at the drop of a hat.
I was wondering when it would be my turn to be on the receiving end of it. Try to work on that my friend.
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I presume you know of and have read Liber Accusationis in Paulum Sextum.
When you say there is no evidence of his being a manifest heretic, do you limit your meaning to his "official" teachings, utterances, etc? What if he spouted endless heresy outside of such numerically minimal activities? Would that have no consequences?
That came out in 1973 and in terms of the accusations of hereys, they were after the fact regarding Vatican II. What's necessary is to establish manifest heresy outside of and before his "official" teaching.
If the only thing are accusations regarding his official teaching, it's too late. That's an untenable position, since whenever any Pope teaches something you can just claim he's a non-pope if you disagree with what he teaches.
Montini's non-papacy needs to be established and effected in some way a priori to, outside of, and independent of his actual teaching.
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SVism chokes and can't provide an answer. Why? Because no one has ever produced a single shred of evidence that Montini was a manifest heretic outside his teaching at Vatican II.
So the "manifest heresy" angle results in epic fail.
So we are clear: V2 does, in fact, suffice as evidence of such manifest heresy? If so, is there some reason that such evidence is somehow insufficient to conclude that, at best, he lost authority (if he had it at all)?
I presume you know about and have read Fr. Ricossa's series of articles about Roncalli.
Just now reading your reply to previous post...
So it is your position that neither could have possessed and lost the Papacy. They absolutely must have never been Pope.
You do not believe it is possible for a man (J23/P6 aside) to truly be Pope and lose said office?
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Montini's non-papacy needs to be established and effected in some way a priori to, outside of, and independent of his actual teaching.
Needs to? According to whom? Why?
I am not trying to play dumb, what have you; just trying to more clearly understand your position on the matter. Thank you.
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But there were 18 cardinals who participated in the two conclaves in 1978 (because remember JP I died suddenly) who were created cardinals by Pope Pius XII. This meant that a sitting pope (Siri), together with 18 other cardinals, voted in back-to-back conclaves knowing that Siri was the legitimate pope. I still submit that it is a long stretch to say that 18 cardinals were so weak as to not say a peep. These same cardinals also voted in the conclave to elect Paul VI.
I am not ruling out the theory outright, as there is the slim chance that the Siri theory is legitimate.
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thanks for your answers, men