Author Topic: Sinagoglio hard to be proven a heretic? (Read 8479 times)

Sneakyticks · « **Reply #120 on:** July 16, 2014, 01:38:07 AM »

What I'd like to know Neil, is why you still haven't answered my simple question.

I would also like to know just where do you think the Church is right now?

2Vermont · « **Reply #121 on:** July 16, 2014, 06:29:42 AM »

Quote from: Sneakyticks

Quote from: Ladislaus
Quote from: Sneakyticks
Quote from: Ladislaus
Quote from: Sneakyticks
The new Good Friday prayer does this as well, asking that тαℓмυdic Zionists CONTINUE to be "faithful" to God's covenant with them.

Well, if that's what it says, this would be undeniably heretical, since in no way, shape, or form are they faithful to the Covenant.

It IS what it says, here's the 2011 version, which is the same as the 1970 one:

Let us pray also for the Jєωιѕн people, to whom the Lord our God spoke first, that he may grant them to ADVANCE in love of his name AND IN FAITHFULNESS TO HIS COVENANT. (Prayer in silence. Then the Priest says:) Almighty ever-living God, who bestowed your promises on Abraham and his descendants, hear graciously the prayers of your Church, that the people you first made your own may attain the fullness of redemption. Through Christ our Lord. Amen.

Ah, so the word isn't "CONTINUE" (as you claimed earlier) but "ADVANCE", which is much more ambiguous. ADVANCE could mean to start moving forward (even from step zero). CONTINUE would have been overtly heretical, whereas ADVANCE (move forward) doesn't necessarily imply that they are continuing a present state.

The 1970 one, the original one, DOES say CONTINUE.

So what I said still stands.

What is the difference here. Neither one says to pray for them to convert.

Sneakyticks · « **Reply #122 on:** July 16, 2014, 10:46:24 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

Quote from: Sneakyticks
Quote from: Ladislaus
Quote from: Sneakyticks
Quote from: Ladislaus
Quote from: Sneakyticks
The new Good Friday prayer does this as well, asking that тαℓмυdic Zionists CONTINUE to be "faithful" to God's covenant with them.

Well, if that's what it says, this would be undeniably heretical, since in no way, shape, or form are they faithful to the Covenant.

It IS what it says, here's the 2011 version, which is the same as the 1970 one:

Let us pray also for the Jєωιѕн people, to whom the Lord our God spoke first, that he may grant them to ADVANCE in love of his name AND IN FAITHFULNESS TO HIS COVENANT. (Prayer in silence. Then the Priest says:) Almighty ever-living God, who bestowed your promises on Abraham and his descendants, hear graciously the prayers of your Church, that the people you first made your own may attain the fullness of redemption. Through Christ our Lord. Amen.

Ah, so the word isn't "CONTINUE" (as you claimed earlier) but "ADVANCE", which is much more ambiguous. ADVANCE could mean to start moving forward (even from step zero). CONTINUE would have been overtly heretical, whereas ADVANCE (move forward) doesn't necessarily imply that they are continuing a present state.

The 1970 one, the original one, DOES say CONTINUE.

So what I said still stands.

What is the difference here. Neither one says to pray for them to convert.

Yes, but for people like Ladislaus that's not enough.