Author Topic: SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE (Read 1742 times)

kamalayka · « **on:** October 18, 2009, 11:02:11 PM »

We MUST be obedient to Pope Benedict XVI, and the Holy Catholic Church.

It is not possible for the Church to err. The reason why Christ never gave us a way of dealing with a "false" Pope, is because He KNEW it could never happen!

He would never allow it!

Pride is what separates a soul from God, and that includes intellectual pride, which is exactly what disobedience is.

To heretics:
In your disobedience and pride, you have come to the point where you call Christ Himself a liar!

After all, He said that the gates of Hell will never prevail against the Church.

I consider the possibility that many Christians will be in Hell because of two things:

First sɛҳuąƖ immorality, and secondly PRIDE!

There is a reason why early century heresies did not flourish, and why later ones did (such as Protestantism)...

CM · « **Reply #1 on:** October 19, 2009, 05:08:37 AM »

You are so lost.

Who says Christ is a liar? The one who says that a man teaching all kinds of heresies and errors is actually a pope, or the one who says that such a man cannot be the pope SINCE THE GATES OF HELL WILL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST THE CHURCH?

CM · « **Reply #2 on:** October 19, 2009, 05:09:50 AM »

Do you obey your "pope" when he indicates it's okay to pray with Muslims? Do you obey him when he indicates its okay to believe that they worship the one true God?

CM · « **Reply #3 on:** October 19, 2009, 05:15:06 AM »

How to deal with a false pope, Christ never gave a way did He?

Not in Titus 3:10-11? Or perhaps Galatians 1:8-9?

He KNEW it would never happen? But he just never told St. Paul, right Kamayalka?

Quote from: GOD, through St. Paul in 2 Corinthians 11:13-15,

For such false apostles are deceitful workmen, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no wonder: for Satan himself transformeth himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers be transformed as the ministers of justice, whose end shall be according to their works.

CM · « **Reply #4 on:** October 19, 2009, 05:16:59 AM »

Quote from: Pope Vigilius, at the Council of Constantinople,

These matters having been treated with thorough-going exactness, we bear in mind what was promised about the holy church and Him who said that the gates of hell will not prevail against it (by these we understand the death-dealing tongues of heretics);

kamalayka · « **Reply #5 on:** October 19, 2009, 12:28:30 PM »

If Pope Benedict XVI is a heretic, then where is the current Pope?

I think it is nonsense.

here is a link:

www.nicenetruth.com/.../less-frequently-used-biblical-texts-that-show-the-office-of-the-papacy.html -

kamalayka · « **Reply #6 on:** October 19, 2009, 12:31:03 PM »

To Quote Jesus:

Matthew 23:

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them."

CM · « **Reply #7 on:** October 20, 2009, 12:09:16 AM »

Okay, so if satan were to possess a man and then sit in the actual chair of St. Peter, and start telling people to do all sorts of immoralities, we would have to obey, simply because he physically sits in the same chair that St. Peter once say in?

Or would there be some reason that he DOES NOT HAVE AUTHORITY DESPITE SITTING THERE?

Raoul76 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 20, 2009, 12:43:12 AM »

kamalayka said:

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Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them."

This has been explained many times on this thread, but you're new so I'll explain it again.

"Do what they say and not what they do" would describe how a Catholic should deal with sinful, humanly flawed popes, bishops and priests. It is referring to men who are hypocrites, who SAY the right thing and teach the true doctrine but who don't live up to it in their own lives. Perhaps they are greedy, or gluttonous, or lustful. Read about Pope Leo X, a very worldly man.

But we are not dealing with sinful Catholics in the throne of Peter today. We are dealing with people who are not Catholic. These are Satanic infiltrators, wolves in sheeps' clothing, they preach the doctrine of the secret societies which is Luciferianism, breaking down Catholicism from within, gradually and ever so slowly.

You can't do what they do ( like pray with false religions ) OR what they say, by believing in their heretical jibber-jabber. But then no one CAN believe in what they say, because what they say is contradictory and makes no sense -- it is the truth mixed with lies, their technique to demoralize and confuse.

What they do, how they operate, is much like the technique of a cobra that stares you in the eyes and hypnotizes you with its eerie beauty, so that you are frozen when you should be running as fast as you can.

You think "Hey, that sounds orthodox, what he just said there," and it paralyzes you... And then the poison is injected into your veins. This has been done slowly for over a hundred years. It didn't begin with Vatican II. People gradually got used to ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic democracies, to the separation of Church and state, to other watered-down doctrine, and to my new personal bugbear, the rhythm method or NFP. The cobra struck again and again and again until people didn't even know they were carrying around a load of fatal poison.

The Catholic Church is the spotless and immaculate bride of Christ -- it is pure truth, with no admixture of lies. We must hold to the true doctrine no matter how strong the suction is towards the lie, no matter even if the whole world believes the lie. And I will tell you, it is pretty close to the whole world that believes the lie today.

CM · « **Reply #9 on:** October 20, 2009, 06:51:20 PM »

Vatican II and it's effect on people

Belloc · « **Reply #10 on:** October 29, 2009, 12:04:27 PM »

Quote from: kamalayka

We MUST be obedient to Pope Benedict XVI, and the Holy Catholic Church.

It is not possible for the Church to err. The reason why Christ never gave us a way of dealing with a "false" Pope, is because He KNEW it could never happen!

He would never allow it!

Pride is what separates a soul from God, and that includes intellectual pride, which is exactly what disobedience is.

To heretics:
In your disobedience and pride, you have come to the point where you call Christ Himself a liar!

After all, He said that the gates of Hell will never prevail against the Church.

I consider the possibility that many Christians will be in Hell because of two things:

First sɛҳuąƖ immorality, and secondly PRIDE!

There is a reason why early century heresies did not flourish, and why later ones did (such as Protestantism)...

actually, blind obideinace is not Catholic, we are to obey in all things just and right, not in everything.......this is a site of and by SV, but the quotes are mostly right(conclusions and added words are wrong):

http://www.romancatholicism.org/duty-resist.htm