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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: saintbosco13 on July 29, 2017, 10:50:52 PM
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Many Catholics today are tainted with Liberalism without even knowing it. To learn the signs, the information below was compiled from the book, "Liberalism Is a Sin" (praised by the Sacred Congregation 1887, English translation imprimatur 1899)
Liberalism is the belief that one creed is as good as another, under the false plea of liberty of conscience. It is based on unrestricted exercise of the individual’s reason upon the subject matter of Revelation. The individual or sect interprets as it pleases, rejecting or accepting what it chooses. The origins of Liberalism stem from Protestantism, which rejected the principle of authority in religion. Liberalism leads to the belief that no creed is just as good as any. Religious beliefs or unbelief become mere matters of opinion. Liberalism severs the bond which binds men to God and seeks to build human society on the foundations of man's absolute independence. Liberalism is basically rationalism; the doctrine of the absolute sovereignty of human reason.
In short, Liberalism is the dogmatic affirmation of the absolute independence of the individual and of the social reason. Catholicity is the dogma of the absolute subjection of the individual and of the social order to the revealed law of God. One doctrine is the exact antithesis of the other, so Liberalism and Catholicism are impossible to reconcile in any way.
Causes of Liberalism:
- Corrupt morals due to theater, literature, public education etc
- Journalism through the secular press, secret societies, literature, arts, science, politics etc
- General ignorance in matters of religion
- Secular education that removes God
Effects of Liberalism:
- Removal of religion from society
- Supremacy of the state
- Marriage sanctioned and legitimized by the state alone
- Divorce laws
- Socialism/Communism
- Unrestricted immorality
Why Liberalism is a mortal sin (if not out of ignorance):
- Violates all of the 10 Commandments
- Within it are comprehended all heresies
- Repudiates dogma altogether and substitutes opinion
- Refuses to acknowledge the authority of the Pope and jurisdiction of Jesus Christ over society
Condemnations:
- Liberalism of every degree and all forms has been formally condemned by the Church
- Upon its appearance during the French Revolution, it was condemned by Pius VI (1775-1799)
- Later, Liberalism infected all the countries of Europe. Gregory XVI (1831-46) explicitly condemned Liberalism
- Pope Pius IX (1846-78) later condemned Liberalism multiple times, most notably in the Syllabus of Errors (1864)
- Liberalism was also condemned by Pope Leo XIII, Pope St. Pius X, and Pope Pius XI
3 Types of Liberals:
- Extreme Liberals - easily recognized, they do not attempt to deny or conceal their perversity. They are declared enemies of the Pope, priests, and everything ecclesiastical. They are revolutionists, socialists, and anarchists. They glory in living a life devoid of all religion
- Moderate Liberals - just as bad as Extreme Liberals, but take good care not to appear so (making them the most dangerous of the three). Social conventionalities and good manners are everything to them. They do not detest the Pope and may even admire him. They may even admire priests, especially those who have caught the twang of modern progress. They may even go to Church and approach the Sacraments, but their maxim is to live as a Christian in the Church, and to live as the world lives outside the Church. They die with a priest on one side, and infidel literature on the other, and imagine that their Creator will applaud this breadth of mind
- Quasi Liberals (Catholics tainted with Liberalism) - generally good people and sincerely pious; but liberal in everything they say or write. They reason, speak and act as Liberals without knowing it. Their strong point is charity. To smother evil under an abundance of good is their favorite principle. From the Gospel they are careful to cite only positive texts. They save the treasures of their tolerance and charity for the sworn enemies of the Faith, and for the most heroic defenders of the Faith, they have only sarcasm and abusive language. They use hit and run tactics rather than debate
In summary, the extreme Liberal roars his Liberalism, the moderate Liberal mouths it, and the tainted Catholic whispers and sighs it.
Signs that a Catholic is tainted with Liberalism (false Catholicity)
- He subjects commands and teachings of the Pope to the scrutiny of his own intellect
- He accepts the magisterium, but not as the sole authorized founder of divine truth, but also of his private judgment
- If he doesn't believe a teaching of the Church, he will say it is "not infallible". If the teaching appears infallible, he will say it must be taken in a very modified sense
- He believes the Church's infallibility may be determined by human science
- He believes no one can impose upon him any belief which his individual judgment does not measure as perfectly rational
- He considers the Church "out of date", with the hope that it will catch up with the modern spirit of progress
- He accepts Revelation based on the "superiority" of his own reason, not on the superiority of God
- He makes excuses or apologizes for the past decisions of the Catholic Church
- He refuses any involved discussion on the subject of Catholicism, or if he appears interested, he will bow out of the discussion before its conclusion (given that Liberalism is derived of nothing but contradictions)
- Following the principle of toleration, he classifies doctrines of enemies of the Church as being due to differences of temperament, education, etc., and concludes that they should be condoned
- He forgets the Divine and supernatural character of the Church and instead looks at it as a simple human institution
- So as not to appear "intolerant", and to appease both sides, he finds it admirable for the private individual to be subject to the law of God, and at the same time believes the state must stand neutral and impartial; a blatant contradiction
- His piety is limited to Pietism, often seen in people who seek in their devotions only the sentimental emotions of which they themselves are able to be the source
- In his desire to appear impartial, he tolerates and even praises books and movies that contain liberal content, or that contain praise of non-Catholic religions or other non-Catholic subjects, just because Catholic content may also be included within (books of such a kind would normally go on the Index of Forbidden Books)
- He keeps company with other people known to be tainted with Liberalism
- He declares that other Catholics do not have the authority to make a moral judgment of heresy or error against other persons or writings. Note: There is a difference between making a personal moral judgment and the Church making an official declaration. It has always been normal procedure in the Catholic Church for moral judgments of the faithful to first ring the warning bell against errors, which later leads to the Church pronouncing the final, decisive and solemn sentence on the matter
- Instead of being appreciative of correction, he calls other Catholics "uncharitable" or “of bad will” if they try to point out any of the above liberal traits in another person
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I thought this was ideal to post on here since this site is LOADED with Catholics tainted with Liberalism. Notice this book (praised by the Sacred Congregation) condemns the beliefs of the recognize and resisters....a good opportunity for Catholics to do a self-examination....
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I thought this was ideal to post on here since this site is LOADED with Catholics tainted with Liberalism. Notice this book (praised by the Sacred Congregation) condemns the beliefs of the recognize and resisters....a good opportunity for Catholics to do a self-examination....
You are so right, I hadn't even finished 1/3 down when I recognized the SSPX, R&R as their problem being liberal with their explanation with the pope issue. I too have to examine my own conscience, going back to read through it again.
Thanks for the posting, I have seen this booklet, in fact, a long time ago I had a copy, but loaned it out.
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Many Catholics today are tainted with Liberalism without even knowing it. To learn the signs, the information below was compiled from the book, "Liberalism Is a Sin" (praised by the Sacred Congregation 1887, English translation imprimatur 1899)
Liberalism is the belief that one creed is as good as another, under the false plea of liberty of conscience. It is based on unrestricted exercise of the individual’s reason upon the subject matter of Revelation. The individual or sect interprets as it pleases, rejecting or accepting what it chooses. The origins of Liberalism stem from Protestantism, which rejected the principle of authority in religion. Liberalism leads to the belief that no creed is just as good as any. Religious beliefs or unbelief become mere matters of opinion. Liberalism severs the bond which binds men to God and seeks to build human society on the foundations of man's absolute independence. Liberalism is basically rationalism; the doctrine of the absolute sovereignty of human reason.
Describes exactly the Galilean Reformation that took place in the womb of the Church, right up to the papacy, from 1741 to today.
(see post on Dimond Bros)
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Of course this book also obviously condemns the Feeneyite position as well, but they are hoping no one will notice.
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Liar
I'm willing to bet you haven't even read the book. Am I right?
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I've read it three times that I specifically remember. I've had it for about twelve years. I love that book and it in no way condemns what you call the "feenyite position".
If you truly read "Liberalism Is a Sin" 3 times, then you know very well that the book condemns beliefs that the Feeneyites use as their foundation. For example, the book condemns the following beliefs as liberal - these beliefs being repeatedly shown by the Feeneyites on this website in discussion after discussion.
- He (the Liberal Catholic) subjects commands and teachings of the Pope to the scrutiny of his own intellect
- He accepts the magisterium, but not as the sole authorized founder of divine truth, but also of his private judgment
- If he doesn't believe a teaching of the Church, he will say it is "not infallible". If the teaching appears infallible, he will say it must be taken in a very modified sense
Maybe you should go back and give it a 4th read.
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Of course this book also obviously condemns the Feeneyite position as well, but they are hoping no one will notice.
Laughable, you clown. You're one of the biggest liberals on CI. You constantly promote subjectivism in the realm of soteriology, advocating the notion that sincere adherence to error is salvific. You're a diabolical joke.
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If you truly read "Liberalism Is a Sin" 3 times, then you know very well that the book condemns beliefs that the Feeneyites use as their foundation. For example, the book condemns the following beliefs as liberal - these beliefs being repeatedly shown by the Feeneyites on this website in discussion after discussion.
- He (the Liberal Catholic) subjects commands and teachings of the Pope to the scrutiny of his own intellect
- He accepts the magisterium, but not as the sole authorized founder of divine truth, but also of his private judgment
- If he doesn't believe a teaching of the Church, he will say it is "not infallible". If the teaching appears infallible, he will say it must be taken in a very modified sense
Maybe you should go back and give it a 4th read.
Ah, yes, another of these moron CMRI nutjobs who believes that any approved book is tantamount to a solemn teaching of the Magisterium ... making a laughingstock out of Catholic teaching.
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LoT decloaking again as bosco, I see. You're not fooling anyone, John Gregory.
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Ah, yes, another of these moron CMRI nutjobs who believes that any approved book is tantamount to a solemn teaching of the Magisterium ... making a laughingstock out of Catholic teaching.
There we have it folks. Ladi the liberal.
FYI, the book was not just given an imprimatur but was directly praised by the Sacred Congregation, as it says in its preface.
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Laughable, you clown. You're one of the biggest liberals on CI. You constantly promote subjectivism in the realm of soteriology, advocating the notion that sincere adherence to error is salvific. You're a diabolical joke.
This, right here.
The sin of liberalism is what must both blind them and drive them to love error.
No doubt bosco was born and raised in the anti-church where he was thoroughly infected with liberalism, and has yet to rid himself of that infection. As it says in the OP, he is one of the "Many Catholics today are tainted with Liberalism without even knowing it."
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Ah, purity spirals!
"Only those with the correct and hidden knowledge are true, good, and saved!"
:heretic: :jumping2: :cheers: :fryingpan: :applause: :cheers: :clown: :chef: :laugh1: :laugh2: :popcorn: :really-mad2: :ready-to-eat:
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The information in liberalism is a sin is not hidden or secret.
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Liberalism is the belief that one creed is as good as another, under the false plea of liberty of conscience.
And bosco can say this with a straight face while promoting the condemned error that someone can be saved in any religion whatsoever (condemned by Pius IX). According to bosco, from the standpoint of soteriology, one creed is as good as another.
And yet he claims that Feeneyites are "liberals"?
It's just shocking that they can't see this. Just shows how deep the malice and bad will run in these.
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And bosco can say this with a straight face while promoting the condemned error that someone can be saved in any religion whatsoever (condemned by Pius IX). According to bosco, from the standpoint of soteriology, one creed is as good as another.
And yet he claims that Feeneyites are "liberals"?
It's just shocking that they can't see this. Just shows how deep the malice and bad will run in these.
Ah, the Liberals are now coming out of the woodwork!
Try actually reading the book Ladi and you will see for yourself what Rome has approved of. R&R and the like are plainly condemned in the book. Funny you should make the malice/bad will accusation as the book goes into great detail on how Liberals love to whine about this. You stepped right in it!
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The first point: Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation. A Catholic views this as it is written. The Liberal Catholic says one must understand this as the Church understands it. Thus, implying that it means something other than what it says.
The Second point: The Catholic believes that the Magisterium has declared that there is no Salvation outside the Church. The Liberal Catholic believes that this Magisterial pronouncement must be subjected to the further interpretation by non-magisterial men and books and thus widens the definition of what it means to be "IN" or "OUTSIDE" the Church effectively granting salvation to any "nice person".
The Third point:The Catholic understands what infallible means and thus does not accept any teaching that contradicts an infallible teaching like EENS. The Liberal Catholic looks at the EENS Dogma and says this must be taken in a modified sense because a person can be united to the Church in some other way than the Church has defined. This point is to the Letter describing people like Bosco and LOT and all the rest. How much more plain does it have to be? The EENS' believers say this Dogma means exactly what it says because we believe it. The Liberal pelagians KNOW this teaching is infallible but do not believe this Dogma so they declare that it must be taken in a "modified sense" i.e. "as the Church understands it".
LOL, don't try to hide your Liberalism or anything, shout it loud and clear! So embarrassing.... If you really did read the book, you have retained absolutely nothing from it.
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Ah, the Liberals are now coming out of the woodwork!
Says the heretical religious indifferentist. :laugh1:
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What I find humorous is that when I first saw this topic title, I thought one of the answers was going to be: Posts on the anonymous forum anonymously.
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Not that anyone needs further proof of your bad will and heresy, but this is very telling that you cannot see that this applies very specifically to you as I pointed out in my last post. Instead, you chose to ignore the content and post lies.
The bottom line here is:
1. The book "Liberalism Is a Sin" very specifically lists Liberal traits that should not be found in any Catholic
2. Rome has highly praised the book so we know it is correct and contains good advice
3. Many of the traits listed in the book happen to be used heavily by recognize and resisters, and also Feeneyites
4. If you see any traits that apply to you, don't shoot the messenger, take the occasion to learn from it and to improve yourself as a Catholic
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"Signs that a Catholic is tainted with Liberalism (false Catholicity)
- He subjects commands and teachings of the Pope to the scrutiny of his own intellect"
Wouldn't everyone in here still be in the novus ordo if this was the case? or does this just apply to pre-Vatican II teachings and not the recent pope?
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"Signs that a Catholic is tainted with Liberalism (false Catholicity)
- He subjects commands and teachings of the Pope to the scrutiny of his own intellect"
Wouldn't everyone in here still be in the novus ordo if this was the case? or does this just apply to pre-Vatican II teachings and not the recent pope?
Actually RA, not only is this above quote is not from the book, it is an adulterated version of what actually is in the book, adulterated to suit the specific, corrupted agenda of bosco.
What the book actually says is:
Such is the general negation uttered by Liberalism. From this radical denial of revealed truth in
general, naturally follows the denial of particular dogmas in whole or in part, as circuмstances
present them in opposition to its rationalistic judgement. Thus, for instance, it denies the validity
of faith by baptism, when it admits or supposes the equality of any or all religious cults; it denies
the sanctity of marriage, when it sanctions so called civil marriages; it denies the infallibility of
the Roman Pontiff, when it refuses to accept as laws his official commands and teachings, and
subjects them to the scrutiny of its own intellect, not to assure itself of their authenticity, as
is legitimate, but to sit in defiant judgement upon their contents.
The OP is the one who adheres to the denial of particular dogmas and refuses to accept as the law, the popes' infallible teachings and commands, but in keeping with his agenda of slandering those who accept and bind themselves too, and accept as law those infallible teachings of popes, he necessarily must adulterate what the book actually says. The man is iniquitous.
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Alright, thank you for clearing that up for me.
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Wow.
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What I find humorous is that when I first saw this topic title, I thought one of the answers was going to be: Posts on the anonymous forum anonymously.
This falls under "Signs that a man is effeminate" and "You don't have a boyfriend--you have a girlfriend."