Go back and read beyond the first paragraph. I quoted Vatican I, Pius IX (Tuas Libentur) and the Oath Against Modernism.
But think about what Stubborn and now Marulus Fidelis are claiming. Stubborn believes the teaching of a council should be qualified as heretical, not because it contradicts a previously defined dogma, but simply because it had not been explicitly taught by the Magisterium previously. If you applied that criterion to the Council of Trent, many of the anathemas would be heretical.
No, the NO doctrine contradicts defined dogma and what the Church teaches. Please permit me.....
You quoted V1 and Tuas Libenter, but you misunderstand what you quoted. You quoted V1 (bolded mine):
"Further, by divine and Catholic faith, all those things must be believed which are contained in the written word of God and in tradition, and those which are proposed by the Church, either in a solemn pronouncement or in her ordinary and universal teaching power, to be believed as divinely revealed." De Filius).
This clearly binds us to Catholic truths by virtue of "divine and Catholic faith", not to popes and bishops. Which is to say the Catholic faith is the first thing needed if we are to believe "all those things." To say PPIX *really* means we are bound to popes and bishops is to completely change the context of what is being taught.
You then quoted Tuas Libenter:
"And therefore we are also intimately convinced that they did not intend to declare that perfect adherence to revealed truths, which they acknowledged to be absolutely necessary for the true progress of the sciences and for the refutation of errors, can be had if one lends faith and obedience only to dogmas expressly defined by the Church. For even if it were a question of that obedience which is concretely due to divine faith, this obedience should not be limited to truths expressly defined by decrees of ecuмenical Councils or of the Roman Pontiffs and of this Apostolic See, but must extend also to truths which by the ordinary Magisterium of the Church, spread throughout the world, are transmitted as divinely revealed, and therefore by the common and universal consent of Catholic theologians are held to be matters of faith." (Tuas Libentur)
Again, this clearly binds us to Catholic truths, not popes and bishops. We are bound no less to either the Church's OUM or the EM because what we are bound by is the truth, which, as PPIX put it in V1, is contained "in her ordinary and universal magisterium." Your quote says
"in her ordinary and universal teaching power" which is saying the same thing, i.e. that what we are bound to is Catholic truths.
I am with Pope Pius IX in Tuas Libenter because to me, there is no better definition of what the Church's Magisterium is:
The Magisterium, or if you wish, the Church's Ordinary and Universal Magisterium is
"all that has been handed down as divinely revealed by the ordinary teaching authority of the entire Church spread over the whole world, and which, for this reason, Catholic theologians, with a universal and constant consent, regard as being of the faith." This is the Church's infallible magisterium, this is what has
"immunity from error" (PPXI) and is the
"living, perpetual magisterium" and
"truth propagated, and as it were, delivered from hand to hand." (Pope Leo XIII)
The Church's Extraordinary Magisterium is
"dogmas expressly defined by the Church," or as your translation has it,
"truths expressly defined by decrees of ecuмenical Councils or of the Roman Pontiffs and of this Apostolic See."I could go on, but instead I just want to say SPelli that whoever you are, whether Salza or not, in a weird sort of way it is refreshing to communicate this subject with one who actually believes the lies to be truth - and on that account actually lives this belief insofar as you reject tradition according to the new religion. IOW, you're not using this belief as a reference against the status of popes.
At any rate, in our talks, please remember that if trads are wrong now, then all Catholics for the previous 2k years from Pentecost till V2 were wrong, which is altogether absurd to even consider.