Author Topic: Show me the anathema! (Read 3045 times)

Prodinoscopus · « **on:** June 10, 2009, 09:39:55 AM »

My fellow Catholics in the "sede" camp, can you please show me where the Vatican has condemned any statement by Archbishop Lefebvre (or any other Traditionalist) opposing any specific teaching of Vatican II?

The CDF could take any back issue of Si Si No No and use it to build a Syllabus of Errors condemning the SSPX. Why hasn't this happened?

I'll tell you why it hasn't happened. It hasn't happened because the Vatican knows that they cannot bind Catholic consciences to the fallible teachings of Vatican II.

CM · « **Reply #1 on:** June 10, 2009, 04:58:12 PM »

And we know also that they cannot bind Catholic consciences, because they are not Catholic, like Lefebvre who somehow still illogically and schismatically recognized them as such.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 10, 2009, 09:24:48 PM »

Prodinoscopus · « **Reply #3 on:** June 11, 2009, 01:08:04 PM »

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Your hero has feet of clay.

Yeah, he's my hero, and we all have feet of clay.

I wonder how sedevacantist bishops deal with "traitor" priests who abandon the sedevacantist cause. Do they give them nice pensions?

Prodinoscopus · « **Reply #4 on:** June 11, 2009, 01:19:16 PM »

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None of the real heroes of this conflict had cameras pointed at them, okay? No one gets publicity unless they are playing the devil's game.

If they fight the battle in public, they'll get their picture taken.

I love this photo of a sedevacantist "pope" ...

American Gothic meets sedevacantist lunacy.

Well, I guess that technically Pope Michael isn't a sedevacantist. He's more of a sedesquatter.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #5 on:** June 11, 2009, 01:23:07 PM »

It's funny how people expect Archbishop Lefevbre to have some kind of crystal ball into the future, and have this all seeing knowledge of EVERYTHING pertaining to every docuмent of the Faith.

Don't you think as a human being, Archbishop Lefevbre was just as fallible as the REST of us?

We're ALL confused in some way, and he was no different, except that he was a Bishop consecrated to God.

Ever think that perhaps he wasn't allowed to know some things? Ever think that he wasn't as read up as we are now on things? I bet in hindsight, he would have done things differently, him being already particularly judged and allowed to see what his omissions and errors in his life had caused?

Get off of it. He tried his very best to do what was right, as is evident by his actions. Everyone will err sometimes, that's just the way things are, and Archbishop Lefevbre was no exception.

Look hard in the mirror. You are a flawed human being, and can't begin to know everything about this horrible crisis. Myself included, we're not allowed to know everything, because of sinister men who would hide the truth, and others who would purposely obfuscate it.

May Archbishop Lefevbre's soul find repose, and if it has, may he find eternal rest, and a perpetual light.

DeMaistre · « **Reply #6 on:** June 11, 2009, 02:41:04 PM »

Prodinoscopus, I know that you're more mature than to stoop to the level of accusing sede-vacantists of being a bunch of conclavists or anti-Pope Michael cultists. So let's just face the facts.

The stance of the FSSPX is one of complete cowardice and idiocy. You yourself said that John Paul II doesn't profess the same Faith as Bishop Williamson. The only conclusion that one can draw then, is that one is not Catholic. But you, and the FSSPX, refuse to say that "John Paul II was not Catholic" - for what reason, I don't know. If you recognise these usurpers and heretics as popes, you must, by recognising them as such, also recognise all their innovations and novelties and other the apostate bishops that they "consecrated" and all the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ "priests" that they "ordained".

Its only so long before you'll be faced with a choice of becoming a "sede-vacantist" or be a follower of man and continue with the FSSPX or the FSSP or whatever "traditional Catholic" group you want to associate with. Its a nasty time that we live in, and we must recall that Christ came to bring a sword and not be bring peace.

I recommend you start a devotion to St. Joseph if you have not already, and praying all 15 decades of the Holy Rosary daily.

Prodinoscopus · « **Reply #7 on:** June 11, 2009, 02:42:39 PM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

It's funny how people expect Archbishop Lefevbre to have some kind of crystal ball into the future, and have this all seeing knowledge of EVERYTHING pertaining to every docuмent of the Faith.

Don't you think as a human being, Archbishop Lefevbre was just as fallible as the REST of us?

We're ALL confused in some way, and he was no different, except that he was a Bishop consecrated to God.

Ever think that perhaps he wasn't allowed to know some things? Ever think that he wasn't as read up as we are now on things? I bet in hindsight, he would have done things differently, him being already particularly judged and allowed to see what his omissions and errors in his life had caused?

Get off of it. He tried his very best to do what was right, as is evident by his actions. Everyone will err sometimes, that's just the way things are, and Archbishop Lefevbre was no exception.

Look hard in the mirror. You are a flawed human being, and can't begin to know everything about this horrible crisis. Myself included, we're not allowed to know everything, because of sinister men who would hide the truth, and others who would purposely obfuscate it.

May Archbishop Lefevbre's soul find repose, and if it has, may he find eternal rest, and a perpetual light.

Thank you, Parentsfortruth, well said.

Unfortunately, I'm sure that we haven't seen the last of the bashing of Archbishop Lefebvre on this board.

Perhaps the Archbishop's critics should visit the SSPX communities in Africa and India, where they can compare the Archbishop's fruits to their own.

Prodinoscopus · « **Reply #8 on:** June 11, 2009, 02:47:40 PM »

Quote from: DeMaistre

Prodinoscopus, I know that you're more mature than to stoop to the level of accusing sede-vacantists of being a bunch of conclavists or anti-Pope Michael cultists. So let's just face the facts.

The stance of the FSSPX is one of complete cowardice and idiocy. You yourself said that John Paul II doesn't profess the same Faith as Bishop Williamson. The only conclusion that one can draw then, is that one is not Catholic. But you, and the FSSPX, refuse to say that "John Paul II was not Catholic" - for what reason, I don't know. If you recognise these usurpers and heretics as popes, you must, by recognising them as such, also recognise all their innovations and novelties and other the apostate bishops that they "consecrated" and all the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ "priests" that they "ordained".

Its only so long before you'll be faced with a choice of becoming a "sede-vacantist" or be a follower of man and continue with the FSSPX or the FSSP or whatever "traditional Catholic" group you want to associate with. Its a nasty time that we live in, and we must recall that Christ came to bring a sword and not be bring peace.

I recommend you start a devotion to St. Joseph if you have not already, and praying all 15 decades of the Holy Rosary daily.

I recommend that you read the Catholic Encyclopedia article on the nature and conditions of heresy that I sent earlier.

You set yourself up as a judge of souls. Set thyself to thine own 15 daily decades.

Prodinoscopus · « **Reply #9 on:** June 11, 2009, 02:49:31 PM »

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The stance of the FSSPX is one of complete cowardice and idiocy.

We cannot all be as brave and wise as you.

DeMaistre · « **Reply #10 on:** June 11, 2009, 02:52:08 PM »

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I recommend that you read the Catholic Encyclopedia article on the nature and conditions of heresy that I sent earlier.

I did. So what?

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You set yourself up as a judge of souls. Set thyself to thine own 15 daily decades.

No, I do not. And that is slander.

As I said, its only a matter of time before you'll be faced with that decision, and because you know how dire the implications of embracing sedevacantism is, and because you are afraid, you can do nothing now but throw insults at others and avoid the issue. It really is only a matter of time, of that I am confident.

Prodinoscopus · « **Reply #11 on:** June 11, 2009, 03:04:33 PM »

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I recommend that you read the Catholic Encyclopedia article on the nature and conditions of heresy that I sent earlier.

I did. So what?

You would know that you have set yourself up as a judge of souls. That's so what.

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You set yourself up as a judge of souls. Set thyself to thine own 15 daily decades.

No, I do not. And that is slander.

As I said, its only a matter of time before you'll be faced with that decision, and because you know how dire the implications of embracing sedevacantism is, and because you are afraid, you can do nothing now but throw insults at others and avoid the issue. It really is only a matter of time, of that I am confident.

I'm not throwing insults, I'm stating facts. When you assert with such bold and absolute assurance that Pope Benedict XVI is "not Catholic", then you most certainly indeed have set yourself up as a judge of his soul.

I can assure you that I will not anytime soon accept the alternative of sedevacantism, if for no other reason than the scandalous and outrageous behavior that I have witnessed on this board.

Slander? Go back and read your own posts. Hypocrite.

DeMaistre · « **Reply #12 on:** June 11, 2009, 03:07:44 PM »

I'll give you a few months. And I'll wait for you to calm down. :detective:

Prodinoscopus · « **Reply #13 on:** June 11, 2009, 03:17:21 PM »

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I'll give you a few months.

Don't hold your breath.

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And I'll wait for you to calm down. :detective:

That's funny, coming from someone who cries "slander" so easily.

It's a shame, because I'm sure that we have much in common, not least our admiration for St. Alphonsus.

DeMaistre · « **Reply #14 on:** June 11, 2009, 03:20:25 PM »

I'm just sayin, I may be just 14 (15 this September!), but I've been around these forums (and others) for the past year, and it's always the same thing. Someone comes here and gets all pissed, leaves, then comes back a sede. Your posts actually remind me of my own a few months. Works like a charm.