Author Topic: Should we submit to heretic authorities? (Read 1638 times)

OHCA · « **Reply #1 on:** September 10, 2015, 07:43:03 PM »

Are you speaking of government leaders who are heretics? Governors, mayors, etc.?

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #2 on:** September 10, 2015, 10:23:47 PM »

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Are you speaking of government leaders who are heretics? Governors, mayors, etc.?

Anybody

Disputaciones · « **Reply #3 on:** September 10, 2015, 10:34:29 PM »

I think I've read that:

- Church "authority" no since a heretic has no authority in the Church.
- State, government etc. authority yes so long as nothing sinful is entailed.

poche · « **Reply #4 on:** September 10, 2015, 10:50:25 PM »

Jesus said, "Give unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's and give unto God that which is God's."

MrYeZe · « **Reply #5 on:** September 10, 2015, 11:36:14 PM »

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I think I've read that:

- Church "authority" no since a heretic has no authority in the Church.
- State, government etc. authority yes so long as nothing sinful is entailed.

Well, there's the argument that a state being a secular/non-Catholic state is, in itself, intrinsically sinful.

In the context of the modern secular regimes, oh no way. Act like you obey them only to avoid being sent to prison.

Ursus · « **Reply #6 on:** September 11, 2015, 12:33:46 AM »

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Quote from: Disputaciones
I think I've read that:

- Church "authority" no since a heretic has no authority in the Church.
- State, government etc. authority yes so long as nothing sinful is entailed.

Well, there's the argument that a state being a secular/non-Catholic state is, in itself, intrinsically sinful.

In the context of the modern secular regimes, oh no way. Act like you obey them only to avoid being sent to prison.

Makes think of the when the Jєωs were pushing to punish and kill Jesus. Pilates questions were answered with Truth and Jesus remained silent with the Jєω accusations.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #7 on:** September 11, 2015, 12:34:01 PM »

I think the Bible states that we should obey government authorities since they were placed there by God. But I have a hard time believing that God would choose a heretic, or any non-Catholic for that matter, over a Catholic as a government official. It's possible that we should still obey them for moral reasons. At the same time, I can see how we might not be bound morally. When the antichrist comes would you obey him? I wouldn't.

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #8 on:** September 11, 2015, 02:19:05 PM »

I refuse to get Obamacare.

poche · « **Reply #9 on:** September 11, 2015, 11:38:29 PM »

Quote from: Ursus

Quote from: MrYeZe
Quote from: Disputaciones
I think I've read that:

- Church "authority" no since a heretic has no authority in the Church.
- State, government etc. authority yes so long as nothing sinful is entailed.

Well, there's the argument that a state being a secular/non-Catholic state is, in itself, intrinsically sinful.

In the context of the modern secular regimes, oh no way. Act like you obey them only to avoid being sent to prison.

Makes think of the when the Jєωs were pushing to punish and kill Jesus. Pilates questions were answered with Truth and Jesus remained silent with the Jєω accusations.

Actually Jesus said to Pilate, "You would have no power over mewere it not given to you from above." This applies to all other legitimate secular authority.

Cera · « **Reply #10 on:** September 12, 2015, 01:52:28 PM »

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Quote from: Disputaciones
I think I've read that:

- Church "authority" no since a heretic has no authority in the Church.
- State, government etc. authority yes so long as nothing sinful is entailed.

Well, there's the argument that a state being a secular/non-Catholic state is, in itself, intrinsically sinful.

In the context of the modern secular regimes, oh no way. Act like you obey them only to avoid being sent to prison.

Except when to do so would be sinful, as in offering incense to false gods or as in taking the mark of the beast.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #11 on:** September 12, 2015, 02:01:28 PM »

Quote from: MrYeZe

Quote from: Disputaciones
I think I've read that:

- Church "authority" no since a heretic has no authority in the Church.
- State, government etc. authority yes so long as nothing sinful is entailed.

Well, there's the argument that a state being a secular/non-Catholic state is, in itself, intrinsically sinful.

In the context of the modern secular regimes, oh no way. Act like you obey them only to avoid being sent to prison.

I think this would be the best way of handling things. Also, if you can avoid heretics then avoid them. Don't subject yourself to them unless you absolutely have to.