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Offline Meg

Re: should I be a seda? uncertain
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2018, 11:35:42 AM »
Quote from: Hermenegild on January 12, 2018, 10:26:26 AM
A "sede" is an updated term for an "Old Catholic". Basically they believe the Roman Church has defected (even though they're never honest enough to admit it).

The correlation between sedes and Old Catholics does work rather well. The Old Catholics separated from the Church due to issues over papal authority, if I'm not mistaken. I don't see why any sede would have an issue with the comparison. 
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Offline Jaynek

Re: should I be a seda? uncertain
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2018, 12:03:40 PM »
Quote from: Hermenegild on January 12, 2018, 11:48:15 AM
Hit a raw nerve?
It is important to fairly and accurately represent positions that one does not hold oneself.  When one fails to do so, it is common for people to object or even to make disparaging comments. This seems to be what occurred in this thread.

It is unlikely that you hit a raw nerve.  I suggest you work on obtaining a clearer understanding of sedevacantism.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: should I be a seda? uncertain
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2018, 12:30:37 PM »
Quote from: Hermenegild on January 12, 2018, 11:48:15 AM
Hit a raw nerve?

Uhm, no; it's because there's no comparison with Old Catholicism.  Sedevacantists are merely applying a probable opinion regarding what happens to a heretical pope and have made a judgment that the V2 papal claimants have been heretics.  So St. Robert Bellarmine was an Old Catholic eh?  One can argue, as I do, that they're not applying this principle correctly, but they're operating within a completely Catholic framework ... and so there's no comparison whatsoever between SVism and Old Catholicism.
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Offline Meg

Re: should I be a seda? uncertain
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2018, 12:36:13 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on January 12, 2018, 12:30:37 PM
Uhm, no; it's because there's no comparison with Old Catholicism.  Sedevacantists are merely applying a probable opinion regarding what happens to a heretical pope and have made a judgment that the V2 papal claimants have been heretics.  

Applying a probable opinion, no. They usually believe with absolute certainty that the Pope isn't the Pope, or as in your case, that the pope has limited jurisdiction, and anyone who disagrees is a heretic.

The Old Catholics had an issue with jurisdiction. Do you not also have an issue with jurisdiction?
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Offline Cantarella

Re: should I be a seda? uncertain
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2018, 01:35:58 PM »
Quote from: Meg on January 12, 2018, 12:36:13 PM
The Old Catholics had an issue with jurisdiction. Do you not also have an issue with jurisdiction?

I thought the followers of +Lefebvre also have an issue with jurisdiction?
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