Author Topic: Shocking review of Popes new book (Read 5814 times)

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #40 on:** March 12, 2011, 11:43:14 PM »

Quote from: MyrnaM

The way things look is the world, who knows it may be our last Lent on Earth. Make it a fruitful one

This is very wise. The recent cataclysms in the Pacific Ocean have made these words unnervingly insightful.

Another thought that is good to have is to receive every Holy Communion with the same fervor and devotion wherewith you would receive Holy Viaticuм, because every Holy Communion may very well be one's Viaticuм (with traditional Priests so few and far between, chances are we won't be able to receive the Sacraments in case we die far away from a traditional Priest or if a widespread calamity assails our locality and the Priest has so many souls to tend).

Raoul76 · « **Reply #41 on:** March 12, 2011, 11:53:57 PM »

Jehanne, do you believe in limbo?

Myrna, what on Earth do you mean about a test at the end of time for dead unbaptized babies? That is heretical, it's given to man to die once, and then the judgment. You're suggesting some kind of alternate life, an alternate dimension. You say early theologians believed in this? Would you happen to have a quote?

The babies are in limbo and have a natural happiness, as you said, leave it at that.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #42 on:** March 13, 2011, 12:03:47 AM »

Jehanne said:

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"It has been decided likewise that if anyone says that for this reason the Lord said: 'In my father’s house there are many mansions' (John 14:2): that it might be understood that in the kingdom of heaven there will be some middle place or some place anywhere where the blessed infants live who departed from this life without baptism, without which they cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven, which is eternal life, let him be anathema. For when the lord says :'Unless a man be born of water and the Holy Ghost, he shall not enter into the kingdom of God' (John 3:5), what Catholic will doubt that he will be partner of the devil who has not deserved to be a co-heir of Christ? For he who lacks the right part will without doubt run into the left." (Canon 3.1, Council of Carthage, Denzinger 102 fn.2; 30th edition)

Limbo is not part of the kingdom of heaven, so it doesn't contradict the Council of Carthage.

You haven't figured something out that no one figured out before you, Jehanne. I hope that doesn't wound your pride. Lots of Popes knew a lot more than you and saw no contradiction. If you can't accept this, you're in trouble.

Stop reading about baptism of desire, and get some books about the saints, St. Gemma, St. Bernard, St. Alphonsus, St. Catherine, learn how the saints thought, talked and acted, that is the cure for the scrupes. This is DEFINITELY a trap of the devil, all this Feeneyism stuff, it's a direct attack on intellectual pride, it relies on people who just have to know who is saved and who is damned, i.e. people who are playing God.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #43 on:** March 13, 2011, 12:10:39 AM »

It's amusing in a kind of perverse way how Stevus doesn't see how he is precisely like those he decries, the "Neo-Caths" on Catholic Answers, constantly attempting to stifle debate, afraid of hearing another angle on the crisis that isn't his own.

Jehanne · « **Reply #44 on:** March 13, 2011, 07:19:25 AM »

Quote from: Raoul76

The babies are in limbo and have a natural happiness, as you said, leave it at that.

Perfect.