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Shocking review of Popes new book
« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2011, 10:33:13 AM »
I get the feeling that people who do not want sedevacantist to comment here or anywhere is because, sedevacantist make sense to them and they can't defend what their pope is doing.  Therefore they want to close their ears.  

Take the Feeny people here, I don't mind they comment because they make no sense to me.  They can blabber all they want about God's none mercy.  Of course this is  just my opinion.  

Shocking review of Popes new book
« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2011, 10:44:33 AM »
Quote from: MyrnaM
I get the feeling that people who do not want sedevacantist to comment here or anywhere is because, sedevacantist make sense to them and they can't defend what their pope is doing.  Therefore they want to close their ears.  

Take the Feeny people here, I don't mind they comment because they make no sense to me.  They can blabber all they want about God's none mercy.  Of course this is  just my opinion.  


A lot of modernists use the same excuse with infants who die without Baptism.  Not to be belligerent but it's "Feeney," just a typo I am sure.


Shocking review of Popes new book
« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2011, 11:14:50 AM »
As a Catholic I believe infants who die without Baptism are not condemned, but are stained with original sin, therefore they reside in Limbo and experience a natural happiness.  

Some  even theorize they may be given a chance at the end of time, a test.  This is not dogma but a theory.  I myself have no opinion about it, it is in God's hands.  

The unbaptized babies have expeirenced the mercy of God.

Thanks for the correction about Feeney, I appreciate it, I am not the best at spelling

Shocking review of Popes new book
« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2011, 11:58:06 AM »
Quote from: MyrnaM
As a Catholic I believe infants who die without Baptism are not condemned, but are stained with original sin, therefore they reside in Limbo and experience a natural happiness.  

Some  even theorize they may be given a chance at the end of time, a test.  This is not dogma but a theory.  I myself have no opinion about it, it is in God's hands.  

The unbaptized babies have expeirenced the mercy of God.

Thanks for the correction about Feeney, I appreciate it, I am not the best at spelling


If you are going to "theorize they may be given a chance at the end of time, a test," then you might as well embrace all of Vatican II as well as at least the possibility of universal salvation.  This is, however, where traditional Catholics such as myself and modern ones part company, for the Council of Carthage (418) declared this:

"It has been decided likewise that if anyone says that for this reason the Lord said: 'In my father’s house there are many mansions' (John 14:2): that it might be understood that in the kingdom of heaven there will be some middle place or some place anywhere where the blessed infants live who departed from this life without baptism, without which they cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven, which is eternal life, let him be anathema. For when the lord says :'Unless a man be born of water and the Holy Ghost, he shall not enter into the kingdom of God' (John 3:5), what Catholic will doubt that he will be partner of the devil who has not deserved to be a co-heir of Christ? For he who lacks the right part will without doubt run into the left." (Canon 3.1, Council of Carthage, Denzinger 102 fn.2; 30th edition)

Even though the Council of Carthage was a regional Council and, therefore, technically not binding upon the universal Church, St. Pope Zosimus published Carthage’s canons as his own, which made them infallible and binding upon the universal Church. This is referred to in the Council of Ephesus. Pope Zosimus' Tractoria was sent to the whole world:

”…Pope Zosimus of blessed memory directs us, when writing to the bishops of the whole world…” (Ephesus; Denzinger 134)

"The same teacher Zosimus trained us, who, when spoke to the the bishops of the whole world….” (Ephesus; Denzinger 135)

"We[Zozimus], however, by the inspiration of God…have referred all things to that of our brothers and co-bishops." (Ephesus; Denzinger 134)

This is the beginning of his Tractoria and it tells us all things are referred to the African bishops, which is why the Council of Carthage received this great praise:

"Furthermore that which was determined in the decrees of the synod of Cathage [418 AD], we have embraced as the Apostolic See’s own…” (Ephesus; Denzinger 136), and,

"But although we do not dare to esteem lightly the deeper and more difficult parts of the questions which they [Augustine and Zozimus] have treated in more detail who have restrained the heretics, we do not consider it necessary to add what their writings, according to the aforementioned regulation of the Apostolic See, have taught us…" (Ephesus; Denzinger 142)

So, if you are going to abandon Carthage, you might as well abandon everything that came before and after it.

Shocking review of Popes new book
« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2011, 02:28:50 PM »
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If you are going to "theorize they may be given a chance at the end of time, a test," then you might as well embrace all of Vatican II as well as at least the possibility of universal salvation.  This is, however, where traditional Catholics such as myself and modern ones part company, for the Council of Carthage (418) declared this:


First, it is not my theory, I only stated that because I read or heard early theologians thought it might be that way.

Until something is pronounced a dogma, Catholics are free to think about things that are unknown to us, as long as we don't start teaching them as dogmatic.  Before Our Lady was pronounced the Immaculate Conception, good and holy Catholics would discuss this issue.  When the pope pronounce it as dogma, there was no room for debate anymore.  

I believe everything the Catholic church teaches, and C.M.R.I. teaches the same way I was taught.  Prior to Vatican II, it might interest you to know that in Catholic school, at least my Catholic school, taught that everyone can fall from grace, even a pope.  If the pope started teaching heresy, he would no longer be pope.  Although a true pope can be in mortal sin and still be pope, I am not saying he has to be without sin.