Author Topic: Shocking review of Popes new book (Read 5827 times)

CathMomof7 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 10, 2011, 02:56:55 PM »

Quote from: Caminus

There's an inherent contradiction in such a notion. Benedict claims that we should not convert Jews because "Israel has it's own time." A question, your Holiness, what of all the Jews prior to this vague time somewhere off in the future? Are they all to be damned, until that one group of future Jews collectively referred to as "Israel" gets access to God's Mercy? Either he holds that they are saved currently by some means, or that they are all damned. Obviously, he would reject that latter, so he must hold the former. Thus, speaking about an eschatalogical event that negates any work today is simply a clever way to avoid the demands of the Gospel. So he holds that Israel will be converted in the future, but is already saved, ergo, the contradiction.

This was my immediate reaction and understanding.

Every day, I get closer and closer to taking the position of many on this forum.

LM · « **Reply #11 on:** March 10, 2011, 03:41:28 PM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

I will withold final judgment till I read the actual text.

However, I must say this disturbs me more than anything he has ever said. His understanding of the apostles actions in the early Church is nothing short of insane. His view that we shouldn't worry about converting Jews is insane. I have no defense of this madness. But no doubt Jimmy Akin is explaining why there is nothing to worry about.

Well intended Neo Caths will simply carry on as if this didn't happen. The more educated will say this is the Pope's "private opinion". So we are supposed to follow a Pope who has a non-Catholic understanding of salvation?

I suppose I will become a further outcast and reprobate amongst my Neo Cath family and friends by becoming a more hardened Trad. What a cross. But to suffer for the Truth is what we are here for.

As to B16, what is the difference between becoming a "more hardened Trad" and the Neo-Caths.

Jehanne · « **Reply #12 on:** March 10, 2011, 04:01:33 PM »

Quote from: MyrnaM

Yes, your family will tell you to stay away from those evil sedevacantist folks.

I would be much more open to the sedevacantist community if they were not so "anti-Feeneyite." After all, it was Father Feeney who saw all of this heresy brewing back in the 1940s.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #13 on:** March 10, 2011, 09:40:40 PM »

This is different from mere visits to ѕуηαgσgυєs. This is actually discouraging the converting of souls to Christ.

Hardened Trad = SSPX type even more convinced of the true crisis.

Neo-Cath = absolute obedience to whatever BXVI says, attend the NO, think there is no crisis or crisis isn't that bad, have no clue the solution is Tradition, and despise Trads as schismatics.

There is a world of difference.

The Sedes have more in common with the Neo-Caths because they share their same false premise regarding infallibility.

LM · « **Reply #14 on:** March 10, 2011, 09:55:16 PM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

This is different from mere visits to ѕуηαgσgυєs. This is actually discouraging the converting of souls to Christ.

Hardened Trad = SSPX type even more convinced of the true crisis.

Neo-Cath = absolute obedience to whatever BXVI says, attend the NO, think there is no crisis or crisis isn't that bad, have no clue the solution is Tradition, and despise Trads as schismatics.

There is a world of difference.

The Sedes have more in common with the Neo-Caths because they share their same false premise regarding infallibility.

Who is the Pope?

Hardened Trad : Pope Benedict XVI
Neo-Caths : Pope Benedict XVI

The end result is the same.