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Shocking review of Popes new book
« on: March 10, 2011, 10:02:17 AM »
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  • “I was astonished at how Protestant and Evangelical he sounds,” Evan said. “I wouldn’t hesitate to give this book to my students.  If it didn’t say ‘Pope Benedict’ on the cover, they might not even know it’s not a Protestant book.”

    Pope says: Church should not pursue the conversion of Jєωs.

    Articles below:

    http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/church-should-not-pursue-conversion-Jєωs-pope-says

    http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/new-book-confirms-benedict-xvi-his-own-best-spokesperson
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    « Reply #1 on: March 10, 2011, 11:04:25 AM »
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  • We have another going on this.   Having been a former evangelical myself, I can say with 100% certainty that they will not endorse the Pope's statements, at least the conservative evangelicals.  Problem with this heresy is that it will "turn off" a lot of evangelicals to the Catholic faith and will cause some NOs to leave the Faith for Evangelicalism.

    It's hard to get people into the True Church when you have heretics on the outside who are professing more orthodoxy with respect to some truths than the heretics who are on the "inside" who are either denying or at least questioning those same Truths.


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    « Reply #2 on: March 10, 2011, 11:13:24 AM »
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  • There's an inherent contradiction in such a notion.  Benedict claims that we should not convert Jєωs because "Israel has it's own time."  A question, your Holiness, what of all the Jєωs prior to this vague time somewhere off in the future?  Are they all to be damned, until that one group of future Jєωs collectively referred to as "Israel" gets access to God's Mercy?  Either he holds that they are saved currently by some means, or that they are all damned.  Obviously, he would reject that latter, so he must hold the former.  Thus, speaking about an eschatalogical event that negates any work today is simply a clever way to avoid the demands of the Gospel.  So he holds that Israel will be converted in the future, but is already saved, ergo, the contradiction.  

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    « Reply #3 on: March 10, 2011, 11:24:10 AM »
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    Commenting on Jesus’ prayer in the Gospel of John that “they may all be one,” Benedict XVI insists on continuing the quest for “visible unity” among the divided branches of the Christian family.

    “The struggle for the visible unity of the disciples of Jesus Christ remains an urgent task for Christians of all times and places,” Benedict writes.

    The invisible unity of the ‘community’ is not sufficient,” he writes. “Unity must be visible, it must be recognizable as something that does not exist elsewhere in the world; as something that is inexplicable on the basis of mankind’s own efforts and that therefore makes visible the workings of a higher power.”


    Finally, he says it explicitly.  The entire ecuмenical venture rests upon this heretical notion of an underlying invisible unity.  He also implicitly robs the true Church of one of her essential notes: unity, which she possesses now and has always possessed.  Sure, they claim this as well, but then utter statements like this above thereby contradicting themselves.    

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    « Reply #4 on: March 10, 2011, 11:44:01 AM »
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  • This may be recommended reading for those traditionalist who still believe that he is the One True Pope.  However for those who have already faced the truth about the man, I would recommend a good spiritual book, especially now that Lent is here.  

    The way things look is the world, who knows it may be our last Lent on Earth.  Make it a fruitful one  
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    « Reply #5 on: March 10, 2011, 12:04:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: MyrnaM
    The way things look is the world, who knows it may be our last Lent on Earth.  Make it a fruitful one  


    I bet you say that every Lent!    :guitar:

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    « Reply #6 on: March 10, 2011, 12:49:22 PM »
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  • Well at my age, I do think about it for myself.   lol!

    With so much going on right now in the world, it does make me wonder about the rest of you youngsters.  
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    « Reply #7 on: March 10, 2011, 01:08:21 PM »
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  • I will withold final judgment till I read the actual text.

    However, I must say this disturbs me more than anything he has ever said. His understanding of the apostles actions in the early Church is nothing short of insane. His view that we shouldn't worry about converting Jєωs is insane. I have no defense of this madness. But no doubt Jimmy Akin is explaining why there is nothing to worry about.

    Well intended Neo Caths will simply carry on as if this didn't happen. The more educated will say this is the Pope's "private opinion". So we are supposed to follow a Pope who has a non-Catholic understanding of salvation?

    I suppose I will become a further outcast and reprobate amongst my Neo Cath family and friends by becoming a more hardened Trad. What a cross. But to suffer for the Truth is what we are here for.


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    « Reply #8 on: March 10, 2011, 02:35:49 PM »
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  • Yes, your family will tell you to stay away from those evil sedevacantist folks.  
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    « Reply #9 on: March 10, 2011, 02:42:54 PM »
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    His view that we shouldn't worry about converting Jєωs is insane. I have no defense of this madness.


    This has been the Vatican's view/teaching since V2, stevus.  What did you think the visits to ѕуηαgσgυєs were all about?

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    So we are supposed to follow a Pope who has a non-Catholic understanding of salvation?


    You do.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #10 on: March 10, 2011, 02:56:55 PM »
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    There's an inherent contradiction in such a notion.  Benedict claims that we should not convert Jєωs because "Israel has it's own time."  A question, your Holiness, what of all the Jєωs prior to this vague time somewhere off in the future?  Are they all to be damned, until that one group of future Jєωs collectively referred to as "Israel" gets access to God's Mercy?  Either he holds that they are saved currently by some means, or that they are all damned.  Obviously, he would reject that latter, so he must hold the former.  Thus, speaking about an eschatalogical event that negates any work today is simply a clever way to avoid the demands of the Gospel.  So he holds that Israel will be converted in the future, but is already saved, ergo, the contradiction.  


    This was my immediate reaction and understanding.  

    Every day, I get closer and closer to taking the position of many on this forum.





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    « Reply #11 on: March 10, 2011, 03:41:28 PM »
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    I will withold final judgment till I read the actual text.

    However, I must say this disturbs me more than anything he has ever said. His understanding of the apostles actions in the early Church is nothing short of insane. His view that we shouldn't worry about converting Jєωs is insane. I have no defense of this madness. But no doubt Jimmy Akin is explaining why there is nothing to worry about.

    Well intended Neo Caths will simply carry on as if this didn't happen. The more educated will say this is the Pope's "private opinion". So we are supposed to follow a Pope who has a non-Catholic understanding of salvation?

    I suppose I will become a further outcast and reprobate amongst my Neo Cath family and friends by becoming a more hardened Trad. What a cross. But to suffer for the Truth is what we are here for.


    As to B16, what is the difference between becoming a "more hardened Trad" and the Neo-Caths.

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    « Reply #12 on: March 10, 2011, 04:01:33 PM »
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    Yes, your family will tell you to stay away from those evil sedevacantist folks.  


    I would be much more open to the sedevacantist community if they were not so "anti-Feeneyite."  After all, it was Father Feeney who saw all of this heresy brewing back in the 1940s.

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    « Reply #13 on: March 10, 2011, 09:40:40 PM »
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  • This is different from mere visits to ѕуηαgσgυєs. This is actually discouraging the converting of souls to Christ.

    Hardened Trad = SSPX type even more convinced of the true crisis.

    Neo-Cath = absolute obedience to whatever BXVI says, attend the NO, think there is no crisis or crisis isn't that bad, have no clue the solution is Tradition, and despise Trads as schismatics.

    There is a world of difference.

    The Sedes have more in common with the Neo-Caths because they share their same false premise regarding infallibility.

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    « Reply #14 on: March 10, 2011, 09:55:16 PM »
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    This is different from mere visits to ѕуηαgσgυєs. This is actually discouraging the converting of souls to Christ.

    Hardened Trad = SSPX type even more convinced of the true crisis.

    Neo-Cath = absolute obedience to whatever BXVI says, attend the NO, think there is no crisis or crisis isn't that bad, have no clue the solution is Tradition, and despise Trads as schismatics.

    There is a world of difference.

    The Sedes have more in common with the Neo-Caths because they share their same false premise regarding infallibility.


    Who is the Pope?

    Hardened Trad :  Pope Benedict XVI
    Neo-Caths       :  Pope Benedict XVI

    The end result is the same.