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Offline Mr Smith

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Shocking news: Bishops have rejected the docuмent published by pope Francis welcoming gαys in the Catholic Church, the docuмent known as Pope Francis 'gαyspel' or 'evangαylium'  was rejected by the Bishops.


See the news here, Bishops have revolted against Pope Francis

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-conclusions-of-synods-small-groups.html


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Shocking: Pope Francis gαyspel rejected by Bishops, commotion in the C
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2014, 11:49:35 PM »
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  • Maybe part of the problem was the bad translation.

    An inaccurate translation in a key passage of an interim report has exacerbated concerns about the work of the Synod of Bishops, the Catholic News Agency notes.

    In a passage regarding pastoral care for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, the relatio post disceptationem, in the English translation, read:


    Are our communities capable of providing that, accepting and valuing their sɛҳuąƖ orientation, without compromising Catholic doctrine on the family and matrimony?
    In the Italian original, the phrase translated as “accepting and valuing” is accettando e valutando, which would properly be translated as “accepting and evaluating” or “accepting and weighing.” The English translation appears to assume that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ identity should be considered as something of value, whereas the original docuмent listed it neutrally, as something to be taken into consideration.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=22935


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    Shocking: Pope Francis gαyspel rejected by Bishops, commotion in the C
    « Reply #2 on: October 17, 2014, 04:04:58 AM »
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  • Reports from small working groups within the Synod of Bishops have revealed a widespread dissatisfaction with an interim report released early this week.

    On October 16, the Vatican released reports from the ten working groups, divided by language, in which the Synod fathers had discussed the relatio post disceptationem. The reports expressed surprise that the preliminary report had been made public, and most groups registered serious reservations about the content of that report.

    In particular, the working groups said that the relatio had failed to provide a strong positive vision of the Christian understanding of marriage and family life. The small groups called for a stronger affirmation of the Church’s teaching on marriage and sɛҳuąƖity. And most of the groups questioned the wisdom of “gradualism” as a pastoral approach to people in irregular unions.

    Vatican journalist Marco Tosatti of La Stampa reported that the reports from the small working groups were released only after a heated debate within the Synod. Tosatti said that Cardinal Lorenzo Baldisseri, the secretary-general of the Synod, originally announced that the reports would not be made public. That announcement prompted a strong protest, led by Cardinal Peter Erdo, the relator general for the Synod. When other prelates joined in the complaints, Tosatti said, the decision was made to release the reports from the working groups.

    The Vatican press office, in a statement summarizing the working group’s reports, noted the concern that the relatio was “a working docuмent that does not express an opinion share univocally by all the Synod fathers.”

    Cardinal Robert Sarah, reporting for one of the French-language groups, said that he felt obliged to give voice to the “emotion and confusion provoked by the publication of a docuмent that we considered as a simple (although quite useful) working docuмent, and thus provisional.”

    The groups observed that the relatio focused heavily on problematical situations, such as cohabitation, same-sex unions, and divorce. Without ignoring those problems, the bishops said that the Synod should adopt a more positive tone. Their reports suggested that the Synod’s final product should “contain a strong message of encouragement and support for the Church and for faithful married couples.”

    One of the English-speaking groups, led by Cardinal Raymond Burke, reported:


    We also believe that in the Relatio Synodi we need to express words of encouragement and support to those who are faithfully living out their marriage vows and bringing up their families according to the teaching of the Church.
    Another English-language group, led by South African Cardinal Wilfrid Napier, said:


    …that the Relatio ended up placing too much emphasis on the problems facing the family and did not stress sufficiently the need to provide an enthusiastic message which would encourage and inspire hope for those Christian families who despite many challenges and even failures - strive every day to live out faithfully and joyfully their mission and vocation within the Church and society.

    The groups applauded the effort in the relatio to depict the Church as a place of welcome for all people, regardless of their difficulties. But the press office reported that the Synod fathers feared the docuмent “could give the impression of a willingness on the part of the Church to legitimize irregular family situations.”

    An Italian-language group, led by Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco, was more sharply critical, saying that the preliminary report “seems to be afraid to express an opinion on several issues that have now become the dominant cultural expressions.”

    The working groups did not indicate any consensus of support for allowing divorced and remarried Catholics to receive Communion. However, most groups did find broad agreement that if possible, the procedures for obtaining a marriage annulment should be streamlined. Cardinal George Pell told The Tablet that about three-quarters of the Synod fathers had criticized the relatio during discussions in the Synod Hall. The Australian cardinal himself described the text as “tendentious and incomplete.” Like many of the reports from the small working groups, he found it “strange that there was so little in the docuмent on scriptural teaching and magisterial teaching on marriage, sɛҳuąƖity, family.”

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=22946

    Offline JezusDeKoning

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    Shocking: Pope Francis gαyspel rejected by Bishops, commotion in the C
    « Reply #3 on: October 17, 2014, 06:03:09 AM »
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  • Or maybe, there's some people in the Vatican left with a modicuм of respect for Catholicism, and as such do not want the fαɢɢօt agenda infecting it. The idea that all the rampant heresy is a result of poor translations (which means what? That the pope is some special snowflake perfectly in line when speaking in his native tongue?) is a fraud. Francis has shown that his errors permeate all languages.
    Remember O most gracious Virgin Mary...

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    Shocking: Pope Francis gαyspel rejected by Bishops, commotion in the C
    « Reply #4 on: October 17, 2014, 06:50:21 AM »
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    Maybe part of the problem was the bad translation.


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    Shocking: Pope Francis gαyspel rejected by Bishops, commotion in the C
    « Reply #5 on: October 17, 2014, 07:46:39 AM »
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    Maybe part of the problem was the bad translation.



    Well, of course! Something was needed to mollify those pesky Anglophones while heresy and scandal presist in the other languages, including the original Italian.

    Say, wouldn't it be something if there existed an ancient language, untouched by contemporary vulage usage, which could be used by the Chuch in drafting official docuмents with due doctrinal presicion and clarity?

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    Shocking: Pope Francis gαyspel rejected by Bishops, commotion in the C
    « Reply #6 on: October 17, 2014, 08:32:05 AM »
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  • yes there is !!! ah, but it wouldnt be compatable the the church in the modern world. still, it was a good idea,

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    Shocking: Pope Francis gαyspel rejected by Bishops, commotion in the C
    « Reply #7 on: October 17, 2014, 10:09:55 AM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    Maybe part of the problem was the bad translation.


    Maybe part of the problem is that Frank the Fraud is an atheist who doesn't believe in God (or at least a heretic who holds non-Catholic notions of God, the Holy Trinity, etc.).