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Re: Servants of the Holy Family
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2024, 09:05:20 AM »
To a point, I can understand hiding the precise identity of the bishop (SSPV did it for +Mendez until he died), to prevent him from getting into trouble with the Conciliars, but at least they should have been forthcoming that this bishop 1) was ordained in the Traditional Rite before Vatican II but 2) was consecrated in the New Rite after Vatican II.  With at least this much information, which does nothing to leak his identity (since that applied to probably a couple hundred bishops), the faithful could at least decide whether to go there for the Sacraments.  Yes, you have to "trust" them that they're not lying about it, that a consecration did in fact take place and it was done in the manner they claim, but they shouldn't have to "trust" and accept their theological judgment that the New Rite of Episcopal Consecration does not labor under positive doubt.  Without knowing these details, and without trusting them, I wouldn't so much as darken the door on their chapel.

Yes, with SSPV and Mendez, that was a special case, and I totally get that.  But it should be a rare exception, and as you point out, the SSPV should have been forthcoming about at least the information you cite.  Again, tell the faithful, and let them make up their own minds.  

Silence doesn't inspire confidence.

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Re: Servants of the Holy Family
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2024, 09:09:20 AM »
Yes, with SSPV and Mendez, that was a special case, and I totally get that.  But it should be a rare exception, and as you point out, the SSPV should have been forthcoming about at least the information you cite.  Again, tell the faithful, and let them make up their own minds. 

Silence doesn't inspire confidence.

Right.  See, at least with the SSPV, they're on record as emphatically disputing the validity of the new rites of ordination and episcopal consecration (it was one of the main reasons for their split from SSPX), and they are so "strict" (to a fault) about it that they question the validity of 90% of the Traditional Catholic bishops and priests out there (not only the Thuc line, but also Bishop Williamson ... due to the "one hand" problem -- or, rather, made-up problem).  So you can be sure they wouldn't be messing around with dubious orders (I think).  Now, if I didn't know The Nine personally, and were just someone, say, from a foreign country, who didn't know them from the Old Catholics down the street, I wouldn't darken the door of their chapel either.


Re: Servants of the Holy Family
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2024, 01:10:45 PM »
I'm under the impression that they did not release if name of the bishop for the exact same reason the SSPV didn't. However they should have said at the least that he was consecrated in the new rite. Father Ward was ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre and I believe still offers Mass there.