I believe in BoD and BoB because the CATHOLIC CHURCH tells me to, not just "some men."
Wrong. The Catholic Church only tells you what She has declared by God the Holy Ghost. Fallible men, saints or not, can make mistakes, but you lump them and all the clergy together as though THEY are the Catholic Church's teaching authority. No. The Solemn Magisterium is the end of the line, top of the mountain, cream of the crop and final interpretation of Scripture and Tradition. You break Divine Law and become a heretic if you say about any of the decrees in this Magisterium that they either do not apply, or deny them by saying that they can be understood in ways that contradict other infallible decrees.
There has to be some order here. Just because the last five Popes are apostates doesn't mean we are freed to suddenly rifle through Church history throwing out whomever we choose. The sedevacantist crisis is not an excuse to go on a power-trip.
I am not on a power trip at all. I know what the Truth is, that all God's words are true and must be believed and obeyed, and I am standing up for it.
You start off against BoD and then to defend this you make Benedict XV an anti-Pope.
Another straw man. I reject Benedict XV because he mixes explicit statement teaching universal salvation with others that seem orthodox, among other reasons. He is a captious and heretical deceiver. His belief or non-belief in BoD is a non-issue, as is his heretical '1917 Code', which he only approved in forma communi anyway (so that could not make him a heretic, just a lazy pope who allowed the promulgation of sinful and heretical disciplinary laws, without teaching heretical doctrine). But he was a heretic on other accounts (universal salvation, Christianity existing outside the Catholic Church, etc.) and thus an antipope.
...You graciously consent that Aquinas was not a heretic because he suggested a belief in BoD before your arbitrary definition of when some Pope defined the necessity of water baptism using the word "or" in a way that only you understand.
Here you are misrepresenting my position again. You are either dishonest or too lazy to refute my actual position.
You accuse me of arbitrarily 'defining' when 'some pope' defined the necessity of water baptism. I did nothing of the sort. And it has nothing to do with the word 'or' in Trent, nor my understanding of it.
Pope Pope ClementV, Council of Vienne, 1311-1312, ex cathedra: "Besides, one baptism which regenerates all who are baptized in Christ must be faithfully confessed by all just as 'one God and one faith' [Eph. 4:5], which celebrated in water in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit we believe to be commonly the perfect remedy for salvation for adults as for children."
This decree states that nobody is baptized in Christ except through the one baptism celebrated in water. Someone cannot, then, be baptized in Christ by desire or blood or in any other way.
What's next, you want to take Augustine out of the Church because Protestants used his arguments as a basis for their theory of salvation by faith alone and human lack of free will? When does it end when someone sets themselves up as the judge and jury without submitting to the hierarchy ( which is now the sedevacantist priesthood )? The answer is never.
No, that is not my 'next stop'. Augustine never contradicted the Solemn Magisterium of his day, now, did he? And no, no, no, the sedevacantist clergy who believe in heresies such as BoD and NFP are not the hierarchy because they are not Catholic.
...Do you expect me not to pick a side? Especially when your side leads to home-aloner mania? Please tell me, who in the world besides yourself do you think is Catholic? I want to know.
I see. What you call "home-aloner mania" is what you are really afraid of. So if BoD is a heresy, then you have to change your lifestyle and reject those with whom you are currently associated.
And as for other Catholics, what do you want? Their names and numbers so you can harass them too?
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