Author Topic: Serious questions (Read 7635 times)

CM · « **Reply #20 on:** June 23, 2009, 05:28:43 PM »

I'm not second guessing God at all. I am assenting to His Truth, and judging according to justice.

CM · « **Reply #21 on:** June 23, 2009, 05:29:44 PM »

Let me ask you something Mr. Prodinoscopus: Do you believe Nero is in hell?

Raoul76 · « **Reply #22 on:** June 23, 2009, 06:24:44 PM »

I kind of agree with Catholic Martyr here, not with his hate, but that there are certain ways we know that certain people are most likely in hell.

We don't KNOW know. But it's not "judging" to say that someone who is an atheist, for instance, is already condemned because as Jesus says "He who doesn't believe is already condemned."

If he thinks baptism of desire is a heresy then he is right to say that I am on the road to hell according to his dogmas, just as I think he is on the road to hell through his schism ( refusal of communion with other Catholics ).

Raoul76 · « **Reply #23 on:** June 23, 2009, 06:29:30 PM »

DeMaistre, is it true that you think BoD is a heresy?

Where do you go to church? Are you under a priest and bishop?

Raoul76 · « **Reply #24 on:** June 23, 2009, 06:49:48 PM »

CM, I think what some are sensing is that you are primarily driven by hate. Yes, we must hate sin and hate the devil but hate should not overtake love.

Michael the Archangel may slash away at the devil but after that work is done he can chill out and have a picnic with his friends in heaven and be perfectly happy. He is not bored by peace. He doesn't sit around moping going "What will I do now? My war is over, I have no more purpose!"

It is not the fight against the devil that drives him. Love drives him. That action against the devil just happened to be one thing he did. I don't think the many people out there who adopt a victorious, self-righteous pseudo-Michael the Archangel attitude understand that.

In a way I'm talking to myself as much as to you. But you also may need to work on this balance. The times we're living in are very conducive to pride and self-promotion. The hierarchy has fallen and in a way it makes each of us more important. Suddenly our voices matter. The head tends to get puffed-up.

The more I think about it, I would say you are not driven by hate so much as by confrontation. I see this in your screen-name itself. Many of the early Christians would overzealously seek martyrdom in a way that was almost like ѕυιcιdє. Did they really crave heaven and glory or were they driven by a sort of carefully-disguised defiance?

Martyrdom is a gift God grants to specific Chosen, it's not something you go out and grab for yourself. But at the beginning of my Catholic life I was obsessed with getting martyred so I know where you're coming from. It's a necessary step whereby we overcome fear of the world or what it might say to us or do with us.

I still see the Feeneyites as sadomasochistic and overly in love with battle and invective. They rend themselves and they rend each other, as shown by your denial and hatred of Fr. Feeney himself. There's a "No honor among thieves" atmosphere that reigns among you people that shows me God has made a firm decision about which side He supports on the BoD issue.

I strongly believe that if everyone flipped and came around to your way of thinking on this issue, the very next day, you would invent some other heresy and start throwing people out of your personal version of heaven left and right on that basis, because that is how you get your jollies. Forgive me if I'm being unjust but this is how I see the Michael Dimonds of the world. These people revel in calling others heretics; even in pictures of them, their heads tilted back, arms folded across their chests like Mussolini, you can see their absurd demonic pride. Is there one person on Earth besides themselves that they DON'T think are heretical?