It appears that with the four Cardinals' magnificent "Seeking Clarity" docuмent on Amoris Laetitia, there is the plan for a formal statement against Francis for heresy or at least deviation from the Faith. The Cardinals are following the proper canonical process. As one writer noted, "The step of making a 'formal act of correction' would be the preliminary, according to classical theology and Church discipline, of declaring someone - anyone - a formal heretic."  

This is an earth-shaking development we continue to follow. It is clear that the Cardinals' intention are to safeguard the Faith, not simply to accuse anyone of heresy. They mean to take necessary corrective action. Prayers and support for these four courageous prelates: Cardinals Walter Brandmüller,  Raymond L. Burke, Carlo Caffarra and Joachim Meisner.

Read the LifeSite summary of Cardinal Burke's important interview below. Oremus. - j vennari

Appeal from Four Cardinals to the Pope

I'm surprised Bp. Athanasius Schneider didn't join them.

Well, Louie Verrecchio has already noticed in his open letter to Bishop Schneider commenting on his essay about Amoris Laetitia:

You made multiple calls for an authentic interpretation of AL:
(...)
And yet, in spite of this, you state:

“However, realistically speaking, it is insufficient to say that AL should be interpreted according to the traditional doctrine and practice of the Church.”

If I may say, I suspect that this glaring contradiction concerning the usefulness of mere interpretations arises not out of any genuine confusion on your part about what really needs to be done, but out of a reluctance to do it.

It is easy for us to sit in an armchair saying he should or this or that, but the fact that mostly retired cardinals signed the letter says volumes. Francis already showed in his dealings with Franciscans of the Immaculate that he can ruthlessly supress any opposition. Don't get me wrong, it is appalling that so few members of the Novus Ordo hierarchy are vocal about their resistance, but they risk a lot.

Plus, as Ladislaus says, such a resistence is in fact 50+ years late. What Cardinal Burke and others are doing is trying to fight symptoms of the disease rather than the disease itself - Vatican II and its subjective approach to truth.

Ah, so Bp. Schneider is more principled, reasonable than to try to reinterpret ("clarify") Modernism as something not offensive to Catholic ears.

He probably understands that Amoris Laetitia is heretical (like anyone who has any meaningful understanding of Catholic moral principles and does not live in denial), but hesitates to act upon this knowledge.

But what must not get out of our sight is the fact that Cardinal Burke, Bishop Schneider and other Novus Ordo conservatives who oppose Francis on this issue accept Vatican II and believe it can be interpreted in light of of Tradition, and apparently have no problems with the New Mass. Even if they manage to win this clash with Francis it is a far cry from any restoration of Catholicism in Rome. Even in they would somehow succeed in deposing him it would not change the reality of the fact that Vatican is currently ruled by a new religion.

More faithful would recognize that the Conciliar Church is not the Catholic Church.

Well, according to various polls made among the Novus Ordites around the world some 70-80% of them don't believe in the most basic Catholic teachings, so anything Cardinal Burke or Bishop Schneider can do will make no difference for them. But you might be right in case of some indult conservatives who attend the Latin Mass not just out of sentiment and sit on the fence.  

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More faithful would recognize that the Conciliar Church is not the Catholic Church.

Well, according to various polls made among the Novus Ordites around the world some 70-80% of them don't believe in the most basic Catholic teachings, so anything Cardinal Burke or Bishop Schneider can do will make no difference for them. But you might be right in case of some indult conservatives who attend the Latin Mass not just out of sentiment and sit on the fence.  

I wrote an answer on Christianity StackExchange, to the question "For Catholics who have expressed concern about Pope Francis and are wary of his pontificate, what are the key issues?," in which I outline three, not-necessarily-mutually-exclusive camps regarding those who question Francis's orthodoxy and Catholicity:

Those who believe Francis promotes
1. the errors and heresies in Vatican II,
2. his personal errors and heresies against the Faith,
3. moral errors.

Even some non-Catholics can see #3. Indulters, "conservative" Novus Ordites, et al. are now seeing #2, but very few hold #1, let alone realize that 1?2?3 (where "?" = "causes") and 3?2?1 (where "?" = "is a sign of").

Very well written. The only thing I could add is that person who arrives to #1  must necessarily acknowledge it concerns not only Francis, but all of V2 claimants to the papacy (perhaps with John XXIII being in a grey zone).

From the Code of Canon Law;

 §3. No appeal or recourse is permitted against a sentence or decree of the Roman Pontiff.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P16.HTM

Here is an amazing video about this that someone shared on a different site.  Thought you all might get a laugh out of it...

http://angelqueen.org/2016/11/18/ill-get-a-show-on-bravo/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Angelqueenorg+%28Angelqueen.org%29

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From the Code of Canon Law;

 §3. No appeal or recourse is permitted against a sentence or decree of the Roman Pontiff.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P16.HTM

poche,

The title of this topic is "Seeking Clarity".  Your comments, as usual, merely muddy the waters.  Rather than simply posting something that does not enlighten, why don't you explain why you posted this quote from the 1983 Code and tell us what it means?

It means that if push comes to shove then the ambiguity of Amoris laetitia will prevail.