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Author Topic: Seeking a valid Traditional Catholic Mass....Are there any out there?  (Read 19940 times)

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Re: Seeking a valid Traditional Catholic Mass....Are there any out there?
« Reply #65 on: February 08, 2020, 09:31:12 AM »
I just want to provide a follow up to the inquiries hear about Sacred Heart in Orlando.

It's a small church with a tight knit Latino community, who are very kind and welcoming. Where I take issue is that they heavily imply that they are Sedevacantist, or at the very least certain Francis is an anti pope. However, Bishop Montelongo seems to tailor his answer of the Papacy questions to whoever he is speaking. Several have told me he has expressed certainty in Sede Vacante, to Benedict XVI still being Pope, to Francis. The associate pastor whose name escapes me at this moment seems to be a faithful, and efficient attendant to the congregation, but reflects what you would expect from his leadership.

Re: Seeking a valid Traditional Catholic Mass....Are there any out there?
« Reply #66 on: February 08, 2020, 10:53:37 AM »
St Petersburg and Tampa basically constitute one very large metropolitan area, probably about 10 miles apart, if that.  Orlando is about 100 miles to the northeast of TSP, give or take.

When my son and I went to Orlando in 2017, we stayed in Davenport, west of Orlando just inside the Polk County line, and IIRC it was about a 90-minute drive to Clearwater (the aquarium there is a lot of hype, very little to see, and they take your car captive and threaten to charge $75 to get it back unless you buy an overpriced aquarium ticket, no changing your mind once you're parked).  We went to Bishop Montelongo's chapel, shabby part of town (I just mention this so nobody will be shocked if they go there), reverent Mass (recorded chant during the canon missae), I didn't get to talk to anyone.  You get the impression they are doing the best they can with what they have.


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Re: Seeking a valid Traditional Catholic Mass....Are there any out there?
« Reply #67 on: July 16, 2022, 10:20:09 AM »
As far as Brooksville goes(Sanborn), amongst thuc trad lines, Gerhard de laurier's line(sanborn) is considered the more dubious of the lines.

This is a flat out lie, and, while I have a great deal of respect for Father Jenkins, SSPV have been just plain lying about the +Thuc lines for decades now.

As for the Mendez/Kelly situation, the photos prove absolutely nothing.  What's at issue is that Mendez had suffered a stroke shortly before the Kelly consecration, and his family testify that he was extremely confused afterwards and that he didn't recognize them.  If there's a question about anyone's "mental state," it is  NOT about that of +Thuc, but about +Mendez ... but SSPV have been lying about the "mental state of" +Thuc forever now.  It's disgraceful, and constitutes calumny against +Thuc and also the bishops, priests, and faithful who are associated with those lines.

Archbishop Thuc had advanced degress from Rome and taught at a seminary.  He was fluent in many languages.  There are many people who have testified (a couple whom I know personally for for whose veracity I can vouch), that Archbishop Thuc never showed the least signs of dementia (unlike +Mendez).  When +Thuc was staying with Bishop Vezelis, after the +Carmona/+Zamora and +des Lauriers consecrations, he would be sitting at table and switching back and forth between languages and not skipping a beat, keeping track of multiple separate conversations at the same time.  He was very adept at Latin and offered Mass with great reverence and following the rubrics with great precision.  His autobiography, also written after these consecrations, demonstrates an extremely lucid mind (in addition to great piety and reverence), as he was recalling from memory the names of obscure people from his past (a cook and the names of his family members, and many others, drivers, etc.).  He had a much better memory than I do.  While it's clear that he made mistakes in terms of a couple that he consecrated, he denies ever having consecrated the worst offenders.  There are man people who have no issues lying about having received consecration from +Thuc.  But poor judgment or imprudence says nothing about whether he had the mental capacity to validly consecrate.  He simply needed to know what the Church intended by a consecration, have intended to do it, and to perform the Rite.  There is absolutely zero evidence that his capacity of doing so can be called into any doubt whatsoever.  Bishop Kelly completely fabricated the notion that two competent witnesses are required to verify the validity of episcopal consecration.  Father Cekada completely shredded his dishonesty, where Bishop Kelly sometimes removed parts of quotations with ellipses that undercut his point.  One of The Nine testified later (I heard it from his mouth) that after Father Cekada had presented his information regarding their validity to the group, that then-Father Kelly responded along the lines of, "We can't say they're valid, because people might go to them."  Bishops were regularly consecrated clandestinely behind the Iron Curtain, with the authorization of Pius XII, and their consecrations were held to be undisputedly valid by the Church.

Re: Seeking a valid Traditional Catholic Mass....Are there any out there?
« Reply #68 on: July 16, 2022, 10:28:57 AM »
This is a flat out lie, and, while I have a great deal of respect for Father Jenkins, SSPV have been just plain lying about the +Thuc lines for decades now.

As for the Mendez/Kelly situation, the photos prove absolutely nothing.  What's at issue is that Mendez had suffered a stroke shortly before the Kelly consecration, and his family testify that he was extremely confused afterwards and that he didn't recognize them.  If there's a question about anyone's "mental state," it is  NOT about that of +Thuc, but about +Mendez ... but SSPV have been lying about the "mental state of" +Thuc forever now.  It's disgraceful, and constitutes calumny against +Thuc and also the bishops, priests, and faithful who are associated with those lines.
Right. +Thuc was of completely sound mind


Re: Seeking a valid Traditional Catholic Mass....Are there any out there?
« Reply #69 on: July 16, 2022, 10:44:31 AM »
God Bless Archbishop Thuc.