Quote from: SeekerOfTruth

I found it odd what the British Trad priest in Spring Hill told me. If I recall correctly he said he was formerly a sede but because of a teaching on perpetual succession he has since come to believe that the Seat is not vacant and that he has to offer the Mass in union with Francis and the local bishop because of this belief. And yet he is not trying to join them because there is a spiritual necessity to provide the pre-1955 Mass. Unless I misunderstood him, this is what I think he was telling me.

Another Lynch job: why don't you call him and ask him ?

I find it "odd" that we are subjected to rumors and falsehoods.

+ Montelongo has nothing to do with Tampa and Fr. Wright doesn't have anything to do with St. Petersburg either. What game are you up to ? You keep asking for a "valid" and "Catholic" Mass but you turn down all offers and continue to question credentials.

Can't you Trads see the game this person is up to ?

Geography question for all: Where is St. Petersburg in relation to Tampa and Orlando ?

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Quote from: SeekerOfTruth

I found it odd what the British Trad priest in Spring Hill told me. If I recall correctly he said he was formerly a sede but because of a teaching on perpetual succession he has since come to believe that the Seat is not vacant and that he has to offer the Mass in union with Francis and the local bishop because of this belief. And yet he is not trying to join them because there is a spiritual necessity to provide the pre-1955 Mass. Unless I misunderstood him, this is what I think he was telling me.

Another Lynch job: why don't you call him and ask him ?

I find it "odd" that we are subjected to rumors and falsehoods.

+ Montelongo has nothing to do with Tampa and Fr. Wright doesn't have anything to do with St. Petersburg either. What game are you up to ? You keep asking for a "valid" and "Catholic" Mass but you turn down all offers and continue to question credentials.

Can't you Trads see the game this person is up to ?

Geography question for all: Where is St. Petersburg in relation to Tampa and Orlando ?

As far as I can tell +Montelongo is not a sede, but is not anti-sede. If he is no longer affiliated withTampa (he did consecrate their new church) it is because they distanced themselves from him, not the other way around. The Tampa folks were never openly sede until recently (many of their parishioners are not). The ol' fence shaker Bergie is having quite the effect.

You are absolutely correct !

Sacred Heart under +Montelongo uses the pre-'55 and accepts Francis as Pope [....]

Quote from: SeekerOfTruth (Sep 05, 2014, 2:41 pm)

[...] I believe, that Fr. Montelongo is connected to the independent Tampa chapel.  So that clears up what I forgot to ask the sede priest from the Tampa chapel.

After verifying - I believe the Tampa chapel is no longer connected with +Montelongo because the Tampa chapel is sedevacantist and +Montelongo is not. Why don't you call +Montelongo and find out from the horse's mouth ?

As far as I can tell +Montelongo is not a sede, but is not anti-sede.

The Tampa folks were never openly sede until recently (many of their parishioners are not).

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Quote from: curioustrad (Sep 05, 2014, 5:10 pm)

Sacred Heart under +Montelongo uses the pre-'55 and accepts Francis as Pope [....]

Anyone who actually reads <orlando-sacred-heart.org> (the customary "www." being optional) will see the 3 points that was the only text whose presentation verbatim was insisted on by Montelongo as pastor:
• Respectfully independent of the Diocese of Orlando.
• Roman Catholic in faith, morals, and practice.
• Recognizing the sovereignity of His Holiness Pope Francis.

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Quote from: SeekerOfTruth (Sep 05, 2014, 2:41 pm)

[...] I believe, that Fr. Montelongo is connected to the independent Tampa chapel.  So that clears up what I forgot to ask the sede priest from the Tampa chapel.

After verifying - I believe the Tampa chapel is no longer connected with +Montelongo because the Tampa chapel is sedevacantist and +Montelongo is not. Why don't you call +Montelongo and find out from the horse's mouth ?

"Verifying"?  Really? The description of Montelongo as "connected to the independent Tampa chapel" is a stronger statement than what's justified by available information.  He has his--as its pastor--independent Orlando church to worry about.  He also celebrates a monthly Mass for a really small group of traditional Catholics in North Florida.  It's my impression that despite a clear difference on the issue of papal recognition, Montelongo does provide the Immaculate Heart of Mary Chapel with ecclesiastical guidance and assistance--upon its clergy's requests.  He makes no secret of that at the Orlando church.

Quote from: IllyricuмSacrum (Sep 05, 2014, 8:49 pm)

As far as I can tell +Montelongo is not a sede, but is not anti-sede.

I concur; that's also my clear impression.

Quote from: IllyricuмSacrum (Sep 05, 2014, 8:49 pm)

The Tampa folks were never openly sede until recently (many of their parishioners are not).

I'd assumed that the Tampa chapel is sedevacantist because that's what appears to be the official position of the Sociedad Religiosa San Luis Rey de Francia (SRSLRF[?], i.e.: Religious Society of King St. Louis [IX] of France) with whom the resident clergy of Immaculate Heart of Mary Chapel are either merely affiliated, or are actual members (I claim no special knowledge of that chapel, nor have I ever set foot in it, but that's what I tentatively concluded from my surfing of the Web--which in this instance hasn't been deep, being hindered by my inability to read Spanish).

I know the situation personally. Tampa asked + Montelongo to consecrate their church. He did. Almost immediately afterwards the connection was severed because the Tampa chapel is sede.

+ Montelongo has been in Orlando since about 1999. The chapel holds no official position as far as membership is concerned on the papacy. They hold an occupant. they don't push it nor do they push sedevacantists away.

That's all there is to it.

IllyricuмSacrum (Sep 05, 2014, 8:49 pm) said:
As far as I can tell +Montelongo is not a sede, but is not anti-sede.

I concur; that's also my clear impression.

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For anyone who is interested in more information about the Church in Tampa send me a PM.

There is a good chance that I know Fr. Emilio Fattore better then anyone on CI.

Stay clear of the witchcraft, alien, vampire fan Louis Montelongo in Orlando.

This link is his facebook page, so it is public information.

https://www.facebook.com/frlouismontelongo

Just watch out for that the female "Troll" from St. Pete doesn't get in there and start a misinformation campaign along the lines we have already seen for other priests and chapels.

Fr. Fattore needs to know that the modernist diocese is actively gunning for Trads of all shades as per the orders of the modernist local Lynch man. It's been on his mind for at least 8 years and it galls him no end and with 2 or less years left in the job he has made it his priority to obliterate whatever he can before he goes. I can assure you this is entirely true and I once heard it straight from his horse's mouth !

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Quote from: GJC

For anyone who is interested in more information about the Church in Tampa send me a PM.

There is a good chance that I know Fr. Emilio Fattore better then anyone on CI.

Stay clear of the witchcraft, alien, vampire fan Louis Montelongo in Orlando.

This link is his facebook page, so it is public information.

https://www.facebook.com/frlouismontelongo

Just watch out for that the female "Troll" from St. Pete doesn't get in there and start a misinformation campaign along the lines we have already seen for other priests and chapels.

Fr. Fattore needs to know that the modernist diocese is actively gunning for Trads of all shades as per the orders of the modernist local Lynch man. It's been on his mind for at least 8 years and it galls him no end and with 2 or less years left in the job he has made it his priority to obliterate whatever he can before he goes. I can assure you this is entirely true and I once heard it straight from his horse's mouth !

ANYONE NOTICE THAT curioustrad is privy to Bishop Lynch's conversations that discuss "gunning for Trads of all shades" in the Tampa area??? curioustrad clearly says "I once heard it straight from his horse's mouth"

I would not trust a person who has that kind of access to Bp. Lynch. I doubt that Lynch would ever reveal that information to someone he does not trust.

Thanks for the admission that the original statement was a falsehood. I can understand the desire to preserve anonymity, however, you were under no obligation to say where you lived at all. In Trad Catholic theology we are never permitted to tell a falsehood for any reason whatsoever, but Novus Ordo theology uses "the lesser of two evils theory" all the time. For me that's a bad sign already.

As for me being the Novus Ordo infiltrator:

1/ I didn't say I had personal access to Lynch but he used to have a radio show once accessible on the web and he has spoken and written on his blog (still accessible for all the world to read) of his utter disdain for the Trad Mass on numerous occasions.

2/ I know several priests both Novus Ordo (who said the Trad Mass) and Traditional and a few lay people who have spoken with Lynch about the Trad Mass and there he has been far more forthcoming about his disdain and intent to do what he can to stem the rise of Traditionalists in his diocese.

All I can say is that I know about what I write and I can honestly say you are off to a very bad start with falsehood and "shopping around'. In the Scriptures Jesus simply tells Nathaniel to "Come and see" i.e. go to a Mass not spread rumors and gossip about validity of priests and supposed conversations with them on the internet where WE can neither verify the truth of what you claim you heard, and THEY cannot defend themselves.

Scripture is also very clear that the enemy of Truth always works in the darkness, but we are told to "Walk in the light".

1) I have admitted the wrongdoing and I apologize, but I did have to tell the posters the area where I am from in order for people to know what chapel to recommend to me.

2) ALSO I am still not sure which Trad group offers a valid priesthood or a valid Mass. My friend in the SSPX also did the same thing I am doing - RESEARCH. He never insulted me for studying the various Trad positions out there. He even recommended more Trad books for me to read during my search.

3) Accusing me of spreading rumors and gossip about the Trad priests I talked with is quite a stretch. I have never disparaged any Trad priest on this website or off of this website with any falsehoods or any insults. Also I have only stated information that I have been given by certain priests and perhaps I may have found it odd that the independent priest in Spring Hill has changed from a sede to an acceptance of the Francis papacy. Perhaps I should have left his location out of my commentary. Mea culpa. I guess I simply wonder why an independent Trad priest who believes Francis is Pope would not unite with the local bishop loyal to Francis and simply say the Latin Mass at a diocesan parish now that the Moto Propio has been issued. But then some posters on this site are saying that there are other independent priests that believe Francis is the true Pontiff and they too are remaining independent. I guess I do not understand why they remain independent unless the Moto Propio does not permit them to say the pre-1955 Mass.

4) If you think I am spreading rumors and gossip, then I ask you to look at the quote you posted above from GJC who says "Stay clear of the witchcraft, alien, vampire fan Louis Montelongo in Orlando."  C'mon!!!  You are pretty good at trying to make me look evil when you yourself are full of venom.

 3) (...)I have never disparaged any Trad priest on this website or off of this website with any falsehoods or any insults. (...)

 4) If you think I am spreading rumors and gossip, then I ask you to look at the quote you posted above from GJC who says "Stay clear of the witchcraft, alien, vampire fan Louis Montelongo in Orlando."  C'mon!!!  You are pretty good at trying to make me look evil when you yourself are full of venom.

Quote from: SeekerOfTruth (Sep 04, 2014, 1:42 am)

So where do I turn for a valid Latin Mass???  I live between Tampa and Orlando.

Quote from: curioustrad (Sep 04, 2014, 7:43 pm)

BTW (from personal experience) the questioner lives in St. Petersburg so we have a problem with the location given....  (HINT: St. Pete is not between Orlando and Tampa)

Ya, I suppose many CathInfo readers here know as much about the geography of central Florida, as I once knew about where to look for Winona in Minnesota.

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BTW, I am not an enemy infiltrator.  And yes I do live in St. Pete.

Well, it's [expletives deleted] about time, after your starter-posting, falsely claiming residence, had attracted 52 reply-postings, albeit in an amazingly brief 48 hours.

Indeed, last night I was waiting for a convincing refutation by 'SeekerOfTruth' about the accusation that he/she had posted a false claim about residence.  Because without one, I would've been left with some really unflattering conclusions about 'SeekerOfTruth'.  Let me just write that when I make a good-faith effort to be helpful to a specific person, that person risks a pointedly unpleasant response if I discover that my time has been deliberately wasted.

Quote from: SeekerOfTruth (Sep 06, 2014, (2:31 am)

As for my statement about living between Tampa and Orlando, I probably should have said Tampa Bay area, but I wrote what I wrote specifically because I did not want to give my exact location out because I myself do not trust the Modernists that might be on this site.

So you plainly lied, instead of using well-established or well-enough-defined regional names that would've been truthful without being overly "exact", e.g.:
• "central Florida" (small "c", because with capital "C", by local usage, it would exclude the Tampa Bay Area), or
• "west-central Florida" (which extends beyond the Tampa Bay Area, although arguably no farther east than the Polk Co./Osceola Co. border, thus excluding metro Orlando).

Quote from: SeekerOfTruth (Sep 04, 2014, 1:42 am)

Seeking a valid Traditional Catholic Mass .... Are there any out there?

Quote from: curioustrad (7:15 am)

I can understand the desire to preserve anonymity, however, you were under no obligation to say where you lived at all.

Ummm, that's "no obligation" only if you think it's fair to waste the time of many helpful CathInfo readers, to whom the title of the starter-posting gave no clue at all that most CathInfo readers are irrelevant to inquiries about the Mass that 'SeekerOfTruth' claims to seek, because they live hundreds or thousands of miles away.

'SeekerOfTruth'--and all others posting similar inquiries in CathInfo from time to time--should include a recognizable regional name in the title of the starter-posting.  Or if really hunkered down in fear of Novus Ordo special operatives storming in through one's locked doors, just the name of the whole state or province.  That's instead of wasting precious title characters with a totally uninformative afterthought, i.e.: ".... Are there any out there?".