Author Topic: Seeking a valid Traditional Catholic Mass....Are there any out there? (Read 19951 times)

IllyricumSacrum · « **Reply #10 on:** September 04, 2014, 02:00:57 PM »

Who the h&!! down-voted me? Either he doesn't like the long-suffering Catholic East, or is upset that some Uniates uphold the Infallible doctrine of EENS better than some Trads.

PG · « **Reply #11 on:** September 04, 2014, 02:10:20 PM »

seekeroftruth - The sspv/cspv offer masses in Florida. Click on the icon/second photo from the top in this link(http://congregationofstpiusv.net/BishopKelly.html) and view the docuмentation of Bishop Kelly's consecration. Thuc trads(illyricuмsacrum for a perfect example won't even acknowledge that these photos exist) plant seeds of doubt about his +Kelly's consecration when there are none.

And, if you have not read the sacred and the profane by +Kelly, do read it - http://congregationofstpiusv.net/

As far as Brooksville goes(Sanborn), amongst thuc trad lines, Gerhard de laurier's line(sanborn) is considered the more dubious of the lines. In this video(towards the end, but I really recommend watching it all) Fr. Jenkins talks about the de lauriers consecration(). I am pretty sure even arch schuckardtite(cmri) "ambrose" from this forum considered de lauriers consecration dubious.

Also, Thuc line sedes believe and teach(indirectly) that they are the new hierarchy(this was what Thuc's handlers Dr(s). Hiller and Heller wanted - to "reestablish the heirarchy"). Here is link revealing how Pivarunis indirectly vouches for this(how these thuc garage bishops have "authority") - http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Fr-Fouhy-formerly-Married-in-COMMUNION-with-CMRI-Scandal. Let's not forget to mention that this fr. fouhy speaking for pivarunis in the video left the priesthood and got married then divorced and came back to become a thuc bishop.

If you are not pleased with/sure about the sspv, that is perfectly fine(I am not entirely pleased), but I strongly recommend that you stay far away from the thuc line. They are wolves in sheep's clothing.

IllyricumSacrum · « **Reply #12 on:** September 04, 2014, 02:11:30 PM »

Quote from: AlligatorDicax

Quote from: IllyricuмSacrum (Sep 4, 2014, 8:57 am)
You seem to be ahead of the game, SeekerofTruth. [....]  Have you looked into Sacred Heart Traditional Chapel in Orlando?

Whether one types the phrase "orlando traditional catholic", or "traditional catholic orlando", into an Internet search engine, whether it's the privacy-hostile <www.google.com>, or the privacy-conserving <ixquick.com/>, the first nonadvertising result is <orlando-sacred-heart.org> (the customary "www." being optional). That's exactly the Web site you'd want to find.

The church provides a remarkably extensive slate of Masses and devotions (I've been told that the Missale Romanum is a 1948 edition). A link to its regular "SCHEDULE" is in the middle section of the menu-stripe on the Web site's main page, just below the name-plate. The header content below the name-plate provides not only the church's address, but also (for the directionally challenged) its latitude & longitude.

As for apostolic succession:
Pastor Louis Montelongo was ordained to the Catholic priesthood, according to the traditional rite, by independent Bp. Timothy Hennebery (R.I.P. June 2012).
Asst. Pastor Jonathan Derrington was ordained to the Catholic priesthood, according to the traditional rite, by independent Bp. Patrick Taylor (for whose valid succession through Bp. Thuc, Fr. Rama Coomaraswamy specifically cited confirmation by Fr. Malachi Martin's highly placed sources).

It is my understanding that +Taylor was a Novus Ordo presider who received conditional ordination from a valid schismatic bishop and later received consecration through the same lineage. Years later he received conditional consecration from the +Thuc and Duarte-Costa/Castillo-Mendez lines. If he carries the lines from "Bishops" Coomaraswarmy and Martin (Gaston-Lopez), then that could be a problem, especially if they are his chief lines of succession. Please enlighten me.

IllyricumSacrum · « **Reply #13 on:** September 04, 2014, 02:22:42 PM »

Actually + NC-17 + the pictures you showed me were of Fr. Kelly and +Mendez posing for a couple of pictures. No ceremony, no timeline, no nothing.

As I stated before, SeekerofTruth can go to the Uniates as an option, especially in this crisis. At least the priests and bishops were ordained openly, publically and with all kinds of video footage and copious amounts of still photographs.

PG · « **Reply #14 on:** September 04, 2014, 02:38:08 PM »

Illyricuмsacrum - you are lying again. If you are not bright enough to click on the link(therefore remaining on the main page), then you would not have even seen a "couple of pictures". There is only one picture of +Kelly and +Mendez on the main page. Despite all of that, you still have yet to admit the "existence of these photos" and all of the immaculate docuмentation provided.