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Offline SeekerOfTruth

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Seeking a valid Traditional Catholic Mass....Are there any out there?
« Reply #60 on: September 06, 2014, 02:25:20 PM »
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  • Except for the name of the book on the various Trad positions by Griff Ruby which was kindly given to me by one of the posters, I can clearly see that many of the posters on this site are a waste of my time. Some people are either overly paranoid, or they are purposefully trying to twist things to create fear among the Trads.  For those overly paranoid I believe that the Rosary prayed with True Devotion will eventually give you the peace you truly need. For the purposeful twisters that wish to spew out hatred and distrust, then I say that I will pray for your pitiful souls.
    I chose little Jacinta of Fatima as my Avatar because she was so brave and so devoted to Our Lady and wanted very much to save souls.

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    Seeking a valid Traditional Catholic Mass....Are there any out there?
    « Reply #61 on: September 06, 2014, 02:28:11 PM »
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  • Quote from: SeekerOfTruth
    Except for the name of the book on the various Trad positions by Griff Ruby which was kindly given to me by one of the posters, I can clearly see that many of the posters on this site are a waste of my time. Some people are either overly paranoid, or they are purposefully trying to twist things to create fear among the Trads.  For those overly paranoid I believe that the Rosary prayed with True Devotion will eventually give you the peace you truly need. For the purposeful twisters that wish to spew out hatred and distrust, then I say that I will pray for your pitiful souls.


    True Devotion - yes indeed !
    Please pray for my soul.
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    Seeking a valid Traditional Catholic Mass....Are there any out there?
    « Reply #62 on: September 06, 2014, 03:20:56 PM »
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    Some people are either overly paranoid, or they are purposefully trying to twist things to create fear among the Trads.  


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    As for my statement about living between Tampa and Orlando, I probably should have said Tampa Bay area, but I wrote what I wrote specifically because I did not want to give my exact location out because I myself do not trust the Modernists that might be on this site.


    Indeed, there is certainly enough paranoia to go around.

    Given what the Modernists can actually do to a traditional Catholic in the United States, I often wonder why anyone fears them.  What can happen other than a potential denial of Conciliar sacraments--and why would that matter?

    Yes, indeed.  There is a lot of paranoia and some people really do purposefully try to create fear among traditional Catholics.  I think SeekerOfTruth can count himself among them.

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  • seekeroftruth - The sspv/cspv offer masses in Florida.  Click on the icon/second photo from the top in this link(http://congregationofstpiusv.net/BishopKelly.html) and view the docuмentation of Bishop Kelly's consecration.  Thuc trads(illyricuмsacrum for a perfect example won't even acknowledge that these photos exist) plant seeds of doubt about his +Kelly's consecration when there are none.  

    And, if you have not read the sacred and the profane by +Kelly, do read it - http://congregationofstpiusv.net/

    As far as Brooksville goes(Sanborn), amongst thuc trad lines, Gerhard de laurier's line(sanborn) is considered the more dubious of the lines.  In this video(towards the end, but I really recommend watching it all) Fr. Jenkins talks about the de lauriers consecration().  I am pretty sure even arch schuckardtite(cmri) "ambrose" from this forum considered de lauriers consecration dubious.  

    Also, Thuc line sedes believe and teach(indirectly) that they are the new hierarchy(this was what Thuc's handlers Dr(s). Hiller and Heller wanted - to "reestablish the heirarchy").  Here is link revealing how Pivarunis indirectly vouches for this(how these thuc garage bishops have "authority") - http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Fr-Fouhy-formerly-Married-in-COMMUNION-with-CMRI-Scandal.  Let's not forget to mention that this fr. fouhy speaking for pivarunis in the video left the priesthood and got married then divorced and came back to become a thuc bishop.

    If you are not pleased with/sure about the sspv, that is perfectly fine(I am not entirely pleased), but I strongly recommend that you stay far away from the thuc line.  They are wolves in sheep's clothing.
    Watch that video!

    This post is old but is germane to searches still going on today.

    And it testifies to the excellence of Fr. William Jenkins, someone who has managed to create confidence in me through his testimony on videos I've watched.  This one topic he is hounded about over a long period, and there are two more recent videos on it, one main one, and a follow-up answering questions from the WCB audience (What Catholics Believe, a series on youtube).

    He is hounded because his former compatriots, Bp. Sanborn, and Fr. Cekada, changed minds about Abp. Thuc.

    This video does indeed touch not just Abp. Thuc, but several other third rail bishop topics.  Very good video.

    Another site that requires attention if one is interested in CMRI, history of it, would be jmjsite.com as the man in back of it was ordained a priest and later resigned his ordination (or whatever is the term) realizing it was invalid (Bp. Schuckhardt).  He spent the rest of  his life, still living, placing his considerable knowledge about traditional Church canon law into a format others may learn from-but you have to be willing to listen to a lot of tapes.  The series is 'Who is Right and Who is Wrong.'  In the audio section on that site.  I've since come to realize it is a hard core position held, one which is too extreme for me, as it seems to conclude there are no valid options whatsoever.

    That's why I am mentioning it as others with that p o v might like to listen.  The site is also noteworthy because it has lots of really good audio, traditional and wonderfully inspirational audio.

    I wrote to priests at traditio.com Ask the Fathers, asking about jurisdiction and apostolic succession.  The answer included the phrase 'reduction ad absurdum.'  I think readers can understand the meaning.  The stand is:  yes, there are many places today where one may find valid sacraments.  I don't know whether I agree with 'many' but I have come to be relaxed, finally, and much more optimistic than formerly, that I will indeed be able to find what I seek.  For me, the SSPV rings true.  This doesn't mean for everyone it will of course.  But of course, graces are being given today to many people so that almost each one can find a place to assist I believe.  

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  • These wackos who act like there are no valid bishops or priests are so far out there. They completely overlook or are ignorant to the Byzantine and Alexandrian liturgies that are beside the Latin Traditions (and valid episcopal consecrations) and the many valid bishops and priest ordained or consecrated in these Liturgical traditions.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

    You are not obliged to resolve the Church’s crisis by absolutizing any faction. Your obligation is to preserve faith, reason, humility, and charity,and to refuse to make any human authority into an idol.


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    Re: Seeking a valid Traditional Catholic Mass....Are there any out there?
    « Reply #65 on: February 08, 2020, 09:31:12 AM »
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  • I just want to provide a follow up to the inquiries hear about Sacred Heart in Orlando.

    It's a small church with a tight knit Latino community, who are very kind and welcoming. Where I take issue is that they heavily imply that they are Sedevacantist, or at the very least certain Francis is an anti pope. However, Bishop Montelongo seems to tailor his answer of the Papacy questions to whoever he is speaking. Several have told me he has expressed certainty in Sede Vacante, to Benedict XVI still being Pope, to Francis. The associate pastor whose name escapes me at this moment seems to be a faithful, and efficient attendant to the congregation, but reflects what you would expect from his leadership.

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    Re: Seeking a valid Traditional Catholic Mass....Are there any out there?
    « Reply #66 on: February 08, 2020, 10:53:37 AM »
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  • St Petersburg and Tampa basically constitute one very large metropolitan area, probably about 10 miles apart, if that.  Orlando is about 100 miles to the northeast of TSP, give or take.

    When my son and I went to Orlando in 2017, we stayed in Davenport, west of Orlando just inside the Polk County line, and IIRC it was about a 90-minute drive to Clearwater (the aquarium there is a lot of hype, very little to see, and they take your car captive and threaten to charge $75 to get it back unless you buy an overpriced aquarium ticket, no changing your mind once you're parked).  We went to Bishop Montelongo's chapel, shabby part of town (I just mention this so nobody will be shocked if they go there), reverent Mass (recorded chant during the canon missae), I didn't get to talk to anyone.  You get the impression they are doing the best they can with what they have.

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    Re: Seeking a valid Traditional Catholic Mass....Are there any out there?
    « Reply #67 on: July 16, 2022, 10:20:09 AM »
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  • As far as Brooksville goes(Sanborn), amongst thuc trad lines, Gerhard de laurier's line(sanborn) is considered the more dubious of the lines.

    This is a flat out lie, and, while I have a great deal of respect for Father Jenkins, SSPV have been just plain lying about the +Thuc lines for decades now.

    As for the Mendez/Kelly situation, the photos prove absolutely nothing.  What's at issue is that Mendez had suffered a stroke shortly before the Kelly consecration, and his family testify that he was extremely confused afterwards and that he didn't recognize them.  If there's a question about anyone's "mental state," it is  NOT about that of +Thuc, but about +Mendez ... but SSPV have been lying about the "mental state of" +Thuc forever now.  It's disgraceful, and constitutes calumny against +Thuc and also the bishops, priests, and faithful who are associated with those lines.

    Archbishop Thuc had advanced degress from Rome and taught at a seminary.  He was fluent in many languages.  There are many people who have testified (a couple whom I know personally for for whose veracity I can vouch), that Archbishop Thuc never showed the least signs of dementia (unlike +Mendez).  When +Thuc was staying with Bishop Vezelis, after the +Carmona/+Zamora and +des Lauriers consecrations, he would be sitting at table and switching back and forth between languages and not skipping a beat, keeping track of multiple separate conversations at the same time.  He was very adept at Latin and offered Mass with great reverence and following the rubrics with great precision.  His autobiography, also written after these consecrations, demonstrates an extremely lucid mind (in addition to great piety and reverence), as he was recalling from memory the names of obscure people from his past (a cook and the names of his family members, and many others, drivers, etc.).  He had a much better memory than I do.  While it's clear that he made mistakes in terms of a couple that he consecrated, he denies ever having consecrated the worst offenders.  There are man people who have no issues lying about having received consecration from +Thuc.  But poor judgment or imprudence says nothing about whether he had the mental capacity to validly consecrate.  He simply needed to know what the Church intended by a consecration, have intended to do it, and to perform the Rite.  There is absolutely zero evidence that his capacity of doing so can be called into any doubt whatsoever.  Bishop Kelly completely fabricated the notion that two competent witnesses are required to verify the validity of episcopal consecration.  Father Cekada completely shredded his dishonesty, where Bishop Kelly sometimes removed parts of quotations with ellipses that undercut his point.  One of The Nine testified later (I heard it from his mouth) that after Father Cekada had presented his information regarding their validity to the group, that then-Father Kelly responded along the lines of, "We can't say they're valid, because people might go to them."  Bishops were regularly consecrated clandestinely behind the Iron Curtain, with the authorization of Pius XII, and their consecrations were held to be undisputedly valid by the Church.


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    Re: Seeking a valid Traditional Catholic Mass....Are there any out there?
    « Reply #68 on: July 16, 2022, 10:28:57 AM »
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  • This is a flat out lie, and, while I have a great deal of respect for Father Jenkins, SSPV have been just plain lying about the +Thuc lines for decades now.

    As for the Mendez/Kelly situation, the photos prove absolutely nothing.  What's at issue is that Mendez had suffered a stroke shortly before the Kelly consecration, and his family testify that he was extremely confused afterwards and that he didn't recognize them.  If there's a question about anyone's "mental state," it is  NOT about that of +Thuc, but about +Mendez ... but SSPV have been lying about the "mental state of" +Thuc forever now.  It's disgraceful, and constitutes calumny against +Thuc and also the bishops, priests, and faithful who are associated with those lines.
    Right. +Thuc was of completely sound mind

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Seeking a valid Traditional Catholic Mass....Are there any out there?
    « Reply #69 on: July 16, 2022, 10:44:31 AM »
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  • God Bless Archbishop Thuc.  

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    « Reply #70 on: July 16, 2022, 12:15:54 PM »
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  • God Bless Archbishop Thuc. 

    Archbishop's autobiography is very moving.  Not only does it obviously come from a man of sound mind, but it's rather moving, reading like a cross between St. Augustine's Confessions and St. Therese's Story of a Soul.


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    « Reply #71 on: July 16, 2022, 12:25:44 PM »
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  • Archbishop's autobiography is very moving.  Not only does it obviously come from a man of sound mind, but it's rather moving, reading like a cross between St. Augustine's Confessions and St. Therese's Story of a Soul.
    What's the title of it?
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]