seekeroftruth - if you take a look at illyricuмsacrum's recent posts, you will see how they are wolves in sheep's clothing.  He is indirectly positing that +Kelly's consecration was as they like to say "top secret"/"private" and even foolishly "not docuмented" to give you the idea that +Kelly's was no different than the Thuc consecrations.  Read the sacred and the profane, and you will see there is an enormous difference.  There are numerous still photographs of +Kellys consecration showing all that is required of a consecration outside of the norms of the church.  The docuмentation accompanying the photos is flawless.

To tdrev123,

I will give Bp Sanborn's parish a call to get their views.

Also I talked to a Traditional priest in Spring Hill which is near Brooksville. He had a British accent and he told me that because of the promise of perpetual succession that he says the pre-1955 Mass in union with Francis and the local bishop. He told me to attend a diocesan Latin Mass in Tampa. Do you know anything about him?  

Both Spring Hill and Brooksville are a bit too far for me to drive but I will be interested in hearing more from the Brooksville chapel.

That is really strange, I have never heard of any priest saying saying a pre- 1955 mass and being in union with 'Pope' Francis - did he mean that he says their name in the canon, or that he is actually affiliated with the diocese?

So you have gotten lots of opinions from people on here, to decide what mass is best/or you consider valid, you need to determine if you believe that masses with the 'Francis'  in canon makes it a valid mass...if you think its okay, then you could go to an Eastern Right, although you need to do research into the church, some eastern rites have been 'novus ordoized' especially the Maronite Church -

Then there is the topic of SSPV, I'm not sure what type of mass center they have there but you need to determine if you think Bp Kelly was validly ordained - I believe it was valid, although if you go to mass there, you can't go to mass anywhere else, and they are very close to being heretics on their position of EENS (I'm not going to get into that though), and also they might be heretics for denying communion to Catholics who go to Thuc bishops or to "Followers of Leonard Feeney" (there words not mine)...

If you are a firm sedevacantist, as I am, do research into Thuc Bishops, do research into Bishop Kelly's Consecration, research una cuм masses...but always do research unbiased and try to seek the truth (as your name suggests)

seekeroftruth - perhaps you know of all of these groups, but do you know why there are all of these groups?  Do you know that malachi martin was a marrano Jєω being paid under the table by a chief rabbi of new york to influence V2 and the traditional movement(BTW martin is still popular amongst una cuм resisters)?  

If you are already prepared to receive sacraments without knowing the reasons that drive the trad world enough to definitively choose, then perhaps you do belong at brooksville. The twin gods comfort and convenience eagerly await thee there.

seekeroftruth - perhaps you know of all of these groups, but do you know why there are all of these groups?  Do you know that malachi martin was a marrano Jєω being paid under the table by a chief rabbi of new york to influence V2 and the traditional movement(BTW martin is still popular amongst una cuм resisters)?  

If you are already prepared to receive sacraments without knowing the reasons that drive the trad world enough to definitively choose, then perhaps you do belong at brooksville. The twin gods comfort and convenience eagerly await thee there.

I have heard that of Malachi Martin, but I have not read that much.

Why did the Von Hildebrands and Father Villa and Padre Pio stay in the Novus Ordo? Does anybody know the answer to that? I cannot find anyone who can answer that question.

seekeroftruth - perhaps you know of all of these groups, but do you know why there are all of these groups?  Do you know that malachi martin was a marrano Jєω being paid under the table by a chief rabbi of new york to influence V2 and the traditional movement(BTW martin is still popular amongst una cuм resisters)?  

If you are already prepared to receive sacraments without knowing the reasons that drive the trad world enough to definitively choose, then perhaps you do belong at brooksville. The twin gods comfort and convenience eagerly await thee there.

Seeker,
You mentioned something about uncharitable traditionalists in your original post...

Also, Thuc line sedes believe and teach...

You're making stuff up again.

tkgs - don't mis quote me.  I posted that they believe and teach these things "indirectly".  View the link.  Schuckardites(cmri) like to advertise themselves as being no different from other trad groups who claim no authority, but all you have to do is listen to fr. Fouhy's "obey bishops" speech in front of pivarunis after he himself refuses to answer the "pope authority" question.  Pivarunis and thucs believe they are the new heirarchy, and if things in Rome worsen, they will perform for us a repeat of "thuc traditions act 1" - palmar de troya.  

Other than the usual mudslinging that this type of question always seems to raise I would ask you to analyze the theological position of our original poster:

1) Won't go to Novus Ordo

2) Won't go to Thuc sedevacantist Masses because:

a) too far
b) "possibly" invalid (note the Trads fighting each other in this thread after this suggestion is made)

3) Won't go to the FSSP

4) Won't go to the Indult / Motu Mass by a diocesan priest in St. Petersburg

5) Has questions about everybody's orders

6) Wants info on all independents in area but only telephones them never meets them in person... (antennas beginning to rise ?)

I ask:

1) What else is left ?

2) What is the real agenda ?

3) Troll alert ?

BTW (from personal experience) the questioner lives in St. Petersburg so we have a problem with the location given.... (HINT: St. Pete is not between Orlando and Tampa)

What else can I say ?