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Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?

Become an R&R Traditionalist
12 (35.3%)
Become an Indult Traditionalist
6 (17.6%)
Become an NO Cath Conservative
9 (26.5%)
Become a very liberal Catholic
1 (2.9%)
Cease to practice Catholicism
6 (17.6%)

Total Members Voted: 28

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Offline Argentino

Re: Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?
« Reply #255 on: July 31, 2020, 10:02:27 AM »
Quote from: XavierSem on July 27, 2020, 08:18:43 AM
A dogmatic fact is one declared as such by Church Authority. Theologians commonly give the example of a Papal Election or an EcuŠ¼enical Council as being a dogmatic fact. Thus, the election of Pope Pius IX as the lawful Pope of the Catholic Church, or that Vatican I was a legitimate EcuŠ¼enical Council, would be classified as dogmatic facts.

In order for a sedevacantist to argue the alleged non-Papacy of recent Popes was a dogmatic fact, he or she would need to show a dogmatic declaration by a Church Council to that effect. But no such Council exists.

There are those who argue (like Fr. Connell in 1965) that the Papacy of Pope Paul VI (and thus of Pope John XXIII also) were dogmatic facts. The reason they adduce for this was that those Papal elections were universally accepted.
What you say is contrary to what the second-to-last chapter of "Liberalism is a Sin" says. Read that again.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?
« Reply #256 on: June 18, 2022, 08:07:08 AM »
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?
« Reply #257 on: June 18, 2022, 08:55:31 AM »
As for the poll at hand: I would be a NO conservative. Because it is the only parallel position to sedevacantism without falling into schism like R&R.
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Offline bodeens

Re: Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?
« Reply #258 on: June 18, 2022, 11:14:12 AM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on June 18, 2022, 08:55:31 AM
As for the poll at hand: I would be a NO conservative. Because it is the only parallel position to sedevacantism without falling into schism like R&R.
Yes, if we're wrong then pinesap and the AF types who are pushing 90% obedience to Bergoglio are right (they do still disobey him but have a "hermeneutic" for it) It seems very wrong but it is more consistent than RnR or Indult. If SP/SV is wrong there is a monstrous ecclesiology crisis and no NO apologists address UR in a convincing way
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Offline Integralism1234

Re: Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?
« Reply #259 on: June 18, 2022, 12:48:21 PM »
Unsure. There is no way that I could ever leave the bosom of Christ and His Church. The answer to what I would do next is simply trust in God's providence. He will provide.
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