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Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?

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Fact of the matter is, when a pope excommunicates someone, they're out of the Church.
Not so forlorn. The excommunicant has all the obligations of a Catholic, but none of the privileges. For example, they are still obligated to go to Mass on Sunday but they cannot receive communion - because they are in mortal sin. The reason for excommunication is due to certain mortal sin(s) to which the Church has attached the censure of excommunication. 

The Church's censures are *always* primarily medicinal in nature and are given with the intent of inducing the sinner to repent, censures are not infallible nor are they intended to be an infallible decree that kicks the poor bastard permanently out of the Church and condemn him to hell with no hope at all no matter how obstinate he is - although the excommunicant understands by this judgement of the Church that that will ultimately be their end if they do not repent.


Hi Argentino,

I posted this as a result of the discussion here regarding the Great Western Schism.  I was surprised o read in this CE entry that the various anti-popes excommunicated each other.  This would lead me to believe that there is at least some truth to what the others are saying here.

https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/great-western-schism-(catholic-encyclopedia-1912)/msg707252/#msg707252
This is inaccurate as no pope  during GWS is considered an anti-pope. Catholics are free to recognise either the Fr or It faction because there was no heresy or homos present. :cowboy:

Pedro De Luna fell into heresy for while but he retracted,


This is inaccurate as no pope  during GWS is considered an anti-pope. Catholics are free to recognise either the Fr or It faction because there was no heresy or homos present. :cowboy:

Pedro De Luna fell into heresy for while but he retracted,
Wut?  Since when were they not considered "anti-popes"?  Only one was the true pope...all others were anti-popes.


The Church's censures are *always* primarily medicinal in nature and are given with the intent of inducing the sinner to repent, censures are not infallible nor are they intended to be an infallible decree that kicks the poor bastard permanently out of the Church and condemn him to hell with no hope at all no matter how obstinate he is - although the excommunicant understands by this judgement of the Church that that will ultimately be their end if they do not repent.

Even as somewhat hedged, the assertion above is still something of an overstatement of the case. Damnation as the ultimate and inevitable consequence can be reasonably assumed only when the excommunication is an effect of an actual mortal sin that is unconfessed and unrepented. An excommunication of the sort mentioned by forlorn—one imposed by a proper authority (ferendae sententiae), in this instance a pope—is an action in law, not in faith or morals. Thus, if it has been mistakenly or vindictively imposed, it would be blasphemous to suppose that God would second so terrible an injustice.

Even some excommunications incurred automatically (latae sententiae) should not be regarded as ipso facto indicative of the certain loss of sanctifying grace. After all, John Paul II considered Archbishops Lefebvre and Castro Meyer and the four consecrated bishops excommunicated latae sententiae after June 1988, but most commenters here at CathInfo surely disagree, as did and do all involved with the consecrations.

Wut?  Since when were they not considered "anti-popes"?  Only one was the true pope...all others were anti-popes.
Pls show source claiming any of GWS popes are anti-popes... :confused: w/ POSSIBLE exception of Pedro...