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Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?

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Online Pax Vobis

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Re: Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?
« Reply #130 on: July 08, 2020, 08:27:37 PM »
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Viganò is a heretic. He talks about a heretical ecuмenical Council.
+Vigano has multiple decades of Church study and knowledge greater than ourselves.  Maybe it's possible he knows more than us?
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Offline Struthio

Re: Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?
« Reply #131 on: July 08, 2020, 08:28:48 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 08, 2020, 08:26:00 PM
You may have a point, but until the Church says otherwise, it's just your opinion.

I already have a point now, since what I said is the case and what you said is not the case.
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Re: Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?
« Reply #132 on: July 08, 2020, 08:30:03 PM »
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The whole gibberish about fallible/infallible is superfluous. The point is, whether fallible or infallible, a general Council of the Church is never heretical.
Ahhh.  So earlier, you posted that an ecuмenical council was infallible, but I proved that wrong from actual article you posted.  Now you're using the term "general council" as opposed to "ecuмenical" to avoid the contradiction with NewAdvent.com?  I see your agenda.
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Re: Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?
« Reply #133 on: July 08, 2020, 08:30:55 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 08, 2020, 08:27:37 PM
+Vigano has multiple decades of Church study and knowledge greater than ourselves.  Maybe it's possible he knows more than us?

Viganò has confessed 50 years of worship of men! He even admits to have known that the Council is heretical, but suppressed his knowledge of truth out of love for men.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?
« Reply #134 on: July 08, 2020, 08:31:52 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 08, 2020, 07:59:30 PM
So the difference between Liberius and Paul 6 or Francis is "intent"? 

No, that was just a side note.  Read the Catholic Encyclopedia article (which has been cited).

1) IF (and it's debatable) Liberius signed the ambiguous semi-Arian formulae, it was done under duress (as he rejected Arianism before and after the time he was in exile)

2) Formulae were a person act and was not some teaching issued to the Universal Church.
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