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Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?
« Reply #125 on: July 08, 2020, 08:18:49 PM »
"Pastoral magisterium" (i.e.  made up theological term) = fallible, not-protected-from-error=able-to-be-heresy theological opinion,  
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Offline Struthio

Re: Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?
« Reply #126 on: July 08, 2020, 08:22:59 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 08, 2020, 08:04:24 PM
If the pope is infallible beyond the definitions of Vatican 1, please let us all know.

You got to check your logic. The Vatican Council does neither define that the Pope is infallible "if and only if" (but rather that the Pope is infallible "if"), nor does the Vatican Council define in which way a Pope has to confirm a general Council to be an infallible Council, nor does the Vatican Council define that nothing but a Pope or nothing but a Pope or a Council may be teaching infallibly.


Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 08, 2020, 08:04:24 PM
And let the record confirm that +Vigano confirms that V2 was not infallible.

Viganò is a heretic. He talks about a heretical ecuмenical Council.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?
« Reply #127 on: July 08, 2020, 08:24:22 PM »
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The only categories acceptable in a doctrinal dispute in the Catholic Church of Rome are those of "heretic" for those who do not adhere to the Dogma and the pastoral Magisterium which is closely connected to it as taught by the Dogmatic Magisterium, and "Catholic" for those who adhere to it. There are no other categories.
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The only categories acceptable in a doctrinal dispute in the Catholic Church of Rome are those of "heretic" for those who do not adhere to Dogma and "Catholic" for those who adhere to it. There are no other categories.
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"Pastoral magisterium" is just another phrase for V2 heresy.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?
« Reply #128 on: July 08, 2020, 08:26:00 PM »

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You got to check your logic. The Vatican Council does neither define that the Pope is infallible "if and only if" (but rather that the Pope is infallible "if"), nor does the Vatican Council define in which way a Pope has to confirm a general Council to be an infallible Council, nor does the Vatican Council define that nothing but a Pope or nothing but a Pope or a Council may be teaching infallibly.
You may have a point, but until the Church says otherwise, it's just your opinion.
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Offline Struthio

Re: Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?
« Reply #129 on: July 08, 2020, 08:27:10 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 08, 2020, 08:18:49 PM
"Pastoral magisterium" (i.e.  made up theological term) = fallible, not-protected-from-error=able-to-be-heresy theological opinion,  

The whole gibberish about fallible/infallible is superfluous. The point is, whether fallible or infallible, a general Council of the Church is never heretical.
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