Author Topic: Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next? (Read 27077 times)

Matto · « **Reply #75 on:** July 07, 2020, 08:02:25 PM »

Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on July 07, 2020, 07:53:37 PM

Why?

Because if sedevacantism is true, after sixty two years, there is no Church left on earth, having not only no pope, but no Bishops with authority from God through the pope. All that is left is a handful of laymen playing make believe and praying the rosary. Whenever the vocal sedes talk about how R&R would be a defection, I feel they are deaf, dumb, and blind, as if the Church for all intents and purposes ceasing to exist upon earth is not also a defection? And a greater one. For in the R&R model, faults as it may have, there is at least a Church to point to.

Quo vadis Domine · « **Reply #76 on:** July 07, 2020, 08:21:10 PM »

Quote from: Matto on July 07, 2020, 08:02:25 PM

Because if sedevacantism is true, after sixty two years, there is no Church left on earth, having not only no pope, but no Bishops with authority from God through the pope. All that is left is a handful of laymen playing make believe and praying the rosary.

So you would rather embrace the erroneous notion that the Church can officially promote and teach error? Would you rather believe that the papacy is superfluous? There is *no* dogma that states that an interregnum can’t be 60, 70, or 100 years and I never contended that there are no bishops today that have ordinary jurisdiction. Have faith my friend and *trust* God.

Matto · « **Reply #77 on:** July 07, 2020, 08:28:06 PM »

Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on July 07, 2020, 08:21:10 PM

So you would rather embrace the erroneous notion that the Church can officially promote and teach error? That the pope is superfluous? There is *no* dogma that states that an interregnum can’t be 60, 70, or 100 years and I never contended that there are no bishops today that have ordinary jurisdiction. Have faith my friend and trust God.

I have faith in God and I trust him. Let's be honest. You can not name one real Bishop who agrees with you. So the pope is not superfluous, but we can go for a hundred years without one? Where is the infallible and indefectible Church today? You can not point to it. There are problems with sedevacantism also if we are to be honest with ourselves. But can the Church teach error officially? Maybe if it is official but not infallible. Who knows? I don't have all the answers, but in my experience the sedes don't have them either.

Matto · « **Reply #78 on:** July 07, 2020, 08:44:50 PM »

I mean, can the Church officially teach error if it is not infallible? I do not think this is as clear as the sedes would have it. The most obvious example is the geocentrism issue which was taught as a matter of faith, and then the teaching was quietly changed, about which I have never seen a satisfying explanation by the sedes (which cassini always used to point out) and most of what I have seen about the issue seemed dishonest. So I don't really know. But I object to the sede-supremacy.

Matto · « **Reply #79 on:** July 07, 2020, 08:58:40 PM »

Anyway I thought it was dogma that there would be popes until the end of time. But the sedes argue that one away as well. Except for a hundred years here or there.

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