OK but it is a fair question. Outside of the Catholic Church there is no salvation. Unfortunately, we do not know what or where is the Catholic Church in the world today.

The Church is all Catholics. Catholics are baptized, confess the true faith in word and deed, and submit to their authorized superiors. Since there are no bishops with apostolic mandate left, there's none to submit to.

The Catholic Church isn't sitting in a box somewhere. It's a spiritual thing that does not exist in a place, so it's meaningless to ask for its location.

But this is strange. Normally for two thousand years when one asked "where is the Catholic Church" the answer was to point to the Bishop in his Cathedral and say "there is the Catholic Church".

Edit: Well for the first couple of centuries of persecution there weren't many Cathedrals because many of the Bishops were underground but you know what I mean. 

The Church is all Catholics. Catholics are baptized, confess the true faith in word and deed, and submit to their authorized superiors. Since there are no bishops with apostolic mandate left, there's none to submit to.

But this is strange. Normally for two thousand years when one asked "where is the Catholic Church" the answer was to point to the Bishop in his Cathedral and say "there is the Catholic Church". 

These are very apt comments, and taken together—minus Struthio's last sentence, with which many hereabouts deeply disagree, from our esteemed Moderator on down even to moi-même—they give a concise answer to a question that puzzles many non-Catholics who have seen and are sincerely horrified by the conciliar establishment's sellout of the Faith and its open alignment with the (((institutional allies))) of the Antichrist.

What if the guy on the street you asked were an Arian or a Donatist? Wouldn't he have pointed to their Basilica, and said "there is the Catholic Church", and then added: "beware of those heretics, over there"? I'm not sure that it was as easy as you say, always and everywhere.

If someone asks me for my religion, I don't just answer "I am a Catholic". I add that I believe that most who call themselves Catholic aren't. There are those "who say they are apostles, and are not, and" I have "found them liars". (Rev 2:2)

You seem to have missed my point.

Remember White Smoke… Black Smoke… White Smoke… 1958?
Warning: what you are about to hear is new. In the sense, I do not believe anyone today is seeing or discussing what the scripture scholars have clearly disclosed.
Jesus said he would not leave us orphans. Indefectibility and infallibility define the promise to be with you till the end of time. Over simply stated, a body without a live head is just a dead body. Repeat, A LIVE HEAD WILL RULE CHRISTIANS UNTIL THE COSUMATION.
We cannot process. We cannot process a LIVE pope wearing the garment which is spotted: Impurity. I was brought up on the certainty that the Bride of Christ wears the unspotted garment: Purity.
We cannot process. We all agree we cannot process a LIVE HEAD carrying a witches Stang-2019 which attacks specifically Jesus’ and no one else… it attacks Jesus the Second Person of the Holy Trinity’s immaculate purity in public – on parade for the whole world to eventually ridicule.
We cannot process. The LIVE HEADs since 1963 carrying the broken cross invented in the witch’s covens of the 6th century. Etc, etc. Promoting Sodomites to the most powerful positions; involved up to their ears in pedophilia… We cannot process. The LIVE HEADs since 1986 allowing idols in the temple – I can go on the list is legion.
Simply put, what we cannot process is the LIVE HEAD wearing the garment which is spotted and wrinkled.
What we cannot process is the contradictions of the doctrine of indefectibility played out before the whole world. Logically if Infallibility can be contradicted as we are witnessing in the church right now than the church has defected. This is what we cannot process. But… but Jesus said he would be with us….
Since 1958 everyone in their very soul has been trying to solve the “string line theory” so to speak. Meaning we are all trying to process the obvious contradiction in front of our very eyes. The LIVE HEAD 2019 installing idols in the temple, historically it is the last straw. Both Jєωιѕн temples were destroyed for idols in the temple. When you see the abomination of desolation – FLEE! Jesus is admonishing all to FLEE his very own church. The Hebrew word for abomination is idol. The Christians in 70 AD were nowhere to be found when Jerusalem was destroyed. Why? Because having witnessed the same abomination in the temple which brought down the first temple they left Jerusalem, and they did not pass until they witnessed the desolation of the second temple. The same for us. We have now witnessed the abomination and this generation will also witness the desolation of Rome – Soon.
We cannot process it, so Jesus sent his very own mother to witness – get out! Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist. The angels to Lot - - get out and quick or you also will be consumed! They physically picked him up and set him outside the city!
We cannot process it. She knows that. Our Lady continually comes to help us. We are all traumatized. She is our mother She morns for us. She is helping all to process the very LIVE HEAD in Rome deny Her Son.
It is a mystery of immense proportions.
All I can do is give my opinion. Disclose my research on how I have solved the string line theory by the help of the Holy Ghost. I immediately saw the solution Pentecost 2017. I wrote down my research on how I process the contradictions.
St. Joseph had to process the contradictions also scripture discloses his dark night. I know she is pure, but she is with child. I know I will leave then she will be safe. The Holy Ghost cleared up the contradictions. St. Joseph’s trial was over: what is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost…  and he remained her protector full of fury for the rights of His Son, Jesus the true crown Prince of Juda the root and stock of David! St. Joseph, terror of demons help us solve the contradictions before us having solved the contradictions before yourself over 2000 years ago. Deliver us from our dark night! We want to be Our Lady’s warrior her champion. We have picked up the gauntlet and given her fealty! Show us what to do next.
I have written a 315-page paper on it. Can I drop it in this forum as a pdf? I do not know. I cannot get it printed because it costs over 75 dollars for me to do so. You can order the thumb drive if you like send $25 to Anna Foster, Roadmap out of Babylon, 1105 North Second Street, St. Mary’s KS 66536. Print it for yourself on your own printer. You will need a lot of colored ink.
I believe I solved the string line theory - - because I did what Jesus told me to do. When you see the abomination of desolation – Flee! I followed Matthew 24 and flew like an eagle to where the body is. It is not in Rome. It is not in the closet. Rome lost the faith… idols in the temple is the proof right under your very nose.
Where is the body? I answer in my paper. Simply this. And it is just that simple. The true LIVE HEAD of the body where the eagles gather is on the very throne of Jesus Christ. It is disclosed in scripture and we have now been shown it disclosed on the stars ------ 9-23-2017.
How do I know this? He told us. 2 Thes 2:6 DRB And now you know what withholdeth, that he may be revealed in his time.[7] For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way. [8] And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming…
What withholdeth? The Pope. The scripture scholars say it is the pope. Taken out of the way? The Pope was removed in 1958 – the sign of Jonas…eaten by a whale…. Removed… until he be spit up on dry land.
So the wicked one shall be revealed. John XXIII opened the bottomless pit. Made Paul VI cardinal to then be Pope whose number actually was, while reigning: 666 …to then infiltrate the church with sodomite minions. He took away the continual ancient rite… He severed the natural link with heaven. The children fled to the desert to be nourished supernaturally spiritually for a time. We strike the rock once which is Christ. We do not strike it twice. And when that time is over… the true pope ----to be revealed in his time--- in all power and glory will unify all who keep the ten commandments who fought the beast and refused his mark of pedophilia and sodomy. [17] And the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. It is all disclosed in the bible Apocalypse 12 [11] And they overcame him(666) by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of the testimony, and they loved not their lives unto death. It is disclosed in private prophecy to.
Quit going around the same mountain for forty years like the ancient Israelites. Believe that God will not leave us orphans and he has disclosed the solution. It takes a leap of faith: The Bride of Jesus Christ does not wear the spotted garment which is carnal! You are being gaslighted! The spotted garment sitting in Peter’s holy chair is not The Pure and Spotless Bride of Jesus Christ! The Emperor has no cloths. Self-evidently Francis has no Jurisdiction in the Church of Jesus Christ!
Be healed read my paper. Yes! I am that certain the truth will set you free and you can enter the promised land but not without a fight! Beware in the spiritual battle for the promised land… The truth is a beautiful mother, but she bears an ugly daughter: Hatred.  
Don’t shoot the messenger. ME.
If I can drop the pdf I will gladly do so. We can all be unified! Think of that we would be formidable in battle unified under Our Lady’s sign in the heavens!
We have been given fabulous signs that verify scripture. Scripture is playing out before our very eyes like a movie! It can be seen. Especially the fulfillment of Apocalypse 12. The scripture scholars disclosed the mystery of Apocalypse 12 over 100 years ago. The Woman in labor is the Church in her human nature delivering the pope in travail. The pope of 1958 with the Red Dragon Communists waiting to devour the Pope-elect. The Pope was taken! Like Elias! Like Enoch! Like Moses and Aaron hid in the cloud! Protected literally by the Holy Ghost! Like St. John! Like St. Joseph! Like Jesus several times taken out of danger… in the temple! In Nazareth! Delivered! Like Our Lord’s Holy House - - - taken! Out of danger! Picked up and flown to Dalamatia! Picked up and flown to Italy! Picked up and flown to Loreto! The pope elected – Whit smoke on October 26th, 1958 was taken! God rescued Indefectibility he secured his promise. A body without a LIVE HEAD is just a dead body. We have a LIVE HEAD he no longer sits in Rome as Our Lady told us. He sits on Jesus’ throne and will be spit up on dry land – to be revealed in his time…
This mystery is disclosed also in the heavens.
Apocalypse 12 appeared in the celestial heavens:
September 23, 2017.
It is not only a reminder of what occurred in the church 1958 but the scripture scholars disclose that when this sign appears celestially ominous events are about to happen. Look up your redemption draweth neigh… look up to the celestial heavens they disclose the mystery of our salvation. The gospel is truly written on the stars. When it is dark you see stars. Jesus said the heavens would move. The heavens did indeed move. The heavens moved from Pisces to Aquarius. Aquarius is on the meridian. This movement announces the period of peace promised by Our Lady. Jesus said you would see the sign of his coming. The footnote say it is a cross on the sky. We did in fact see it in 1997. Two comets crossed on the same solar day and disclosed a treasure of information for the little sheep being devoured by the sodomite wolves. We are going to have another celestial event that is like another Bethlehem star… 2022. Another cross in the sky! Get ready for ominous events in our near future when I believe the Pope-elect 1958 will be revealed not with the papal scepter but with the papal sickle!

Anna Foster, you can upload the PDF on CathInfo with any post you write as an attachment to the post.

An alternative fervently to be preferred to a hundred lines of lapel-grabbing display fonts!

Quote from: Argentino on Sun Jul 26 2020 04:59:53 GMT+0530 (India Standard Time)
No response to my question?

A dogmatic fact is one declared as such by Church Authority. Theologians commonly give the example of a Papal Election or an Ecuмenical Council as being a dogmatic fact. Thus, the election of Pope Pius IX as the lawful Pope of the Catholic Church, or that Vatican I was a legitimate Ecuмenical Council, would be classified as dogmatic facts. 

In order for a sedevacantist to argue the alleged non-Papacy of recent Popes was a dogmatic fact, he or she would need to show a dogmatic declaration by a Church Council to that effect. But no such Council exists.

There are those who argue (like Fr. Connell in 1965) that the Papacy of Pope Paul VI (and thus of Pope John XXIII also) were dogmatic facts. The reason they adduce for this was that those Papal elections were universally accepted.

Quote from: 2Vermont Proved by whom?  You?  

For the purposes of the thread, proved to one's satisfaction as a sedevacantist. The question is asking whether one is a moderate sedevacantist or dogmatic sedevacantist as defined earlier. 

Quote from: Struthio One would have to be completely detached from reality to claim that there is a dogma saying that all who don't hold to the sedevacantist position are condemned. There simply is none.

Ibranyi is up there. He considers virtually the entire world to be heretics and has anathematized a hundred Popes as heretics as last count. Ibranyi would qualify as a dogmatic sedevacantist for the poll.

Quote I didn't vote either.

The question is basically asking whether one considers SVism (1) a dogma or (2) an opinion. An opinion can be subject to further revision in light of new facts as they emerge. A dogma is not. So that's the reason for the question. The question of how something becomes dogma or even dogmatic fact (it obviously depends on some Church Authority) would be the next question to a sedevacantist who claimed sedevacantism was dogma.

Quote from: Ladislaus I consider a 62-year period of sedevacante to be problematic, but not theologically impossible.

New thread for this.