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Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?

Become an R&R Traditionalist
12 (35.3%)
Become an Indult Traditionalist
6 (17.6%)
Become an NO Cath Conservative
9 (26.5%)
Become a very liberal Catholic
1 (2.9%)
Cease to practice Catholicism
6 (17.6%)

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OK but it is a fair question. Outside of the Catholic Church there is no salvation. Unfortunately, we do not know what or where is the Catholic Church in the world today.
Yes, it is fair as long as it is sincere.  I'm not exactly feeling like any question to me right now would be anything but a gotcha however.  I'm pretty done with the anti-sede attitude around these parts.

OK but it is a fair question. Outside of the Catholic Church there is no salvation. Unfortunately, we do not know what or where is the Catholic Church in the world today.

The Church is all Catholics. Catholics are baptized, confess the true faith in word and deed, and submit to their authorized superiors. Since there are no bishops with apostolic mandate left, there's none to submit to.


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The Church is all Catholics. Catholics are baptized, confess the true faith in word and deed, and submit to their authorized superiors. Since there are no bishops with apostolic mandate left, there's none to submit to.
This. Non-sedevacantists like to say "Is SSPV or whoever the Catholic Church?" The question is silly and makes no sense. The Catholic Church is the congregation of all those who are baptized, profess the Catholic Faith, and are submitted to its legitimate authority. Traditional Catholic organizations such as SSPV do not claim that only people who attend their chapels are Catholic. And the question "Where is the Catholic Church" is like asking "Where is the Pythagorean Theorem?" The Catholic Church isn't sitting in a box somewhere. It's a spiritual thing that does not exist in a place, so it's meaningless to ask for its location.

The Catholic Church isn't sitting in a box somewhere. It's a spiritual thing that does not exist in a place, so it's meaningless to ask for its location.
But this is strange. Normally for two thousand years when one asked "where is the Catholic Church" the answer was to point to the Bishop in his Cathedral and say "there is the Catholic Church".

Edit: Well for the first couple of centuries of persecution there weren't many Cathedrals because many of the Bishops were underground but you know what I mean. 

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But this is strange. Normally for two thousand years when one asked "where is the Catholic Church" the answer was to point to the Bishop in his Cathedral and say "there is the Catholic Church".

Edit: Well for the first couple of centuries of persecution there weren't many Cathedrals because many of the Bishops were underground but you know what I mean.
I think normally when people asked where the Catholic Church was they were asking for directions to the local building in which Mass is offered. I don't think people asked "Where is the Catholic Church" in the sense you mean, since, as I said, the question makes no sense.