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Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?

Become an R&R Traditionalist
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Become an Indult Traditionalist
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Become a very liberal Catholic
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Ok. Thank you. My dictionary said "Einstand" (both players same score), but it is more general: "two".

This charming anecdote illustrates the havoc that can be wreaked upon a defenseless world when tennis players or fans are given access to senior editorial positions at publishers of dictionaries and other reference books. Game, set, match indeed.

Ich zittre, ich bebe!

Ok. Thank you. My dictionary said "Einstand" (both players same score), but it is more general: "two".
Yes.  It is also used in the context of playing cards.  Deuce of Spades, etc.


One would have to be completely detached from reality to claim that there is a dogma saying that all who don't hold to the sedevacantist position are condemned. There simply is none.

I don't know what to think about you, presenting your three alternatives DS, MS, UDS. Are you able to quote a single sedevacantist who says what your DS says?
Struthio, what you need to know is that the term dogmatic sedevacantist means whatever a non-sedevacantist (typically a rabid anti-sede, but not necessarily) wishes it to mean; typically it's whatever they judge to be "going too far".  Hope that helps!

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Struthio, what you need to know is that the term dogmatic sedevacantist means whatever a non-sedevacantist (typically a rabid anti-sede, but not necessarily) wishes it to mean; typically it's whatever they judge to be "going too far".  Hope that helps!

False.  We clearly defined those terms earlier in this thread.

Examples of dogmatic sedevacantists:  Dimond brothers, Bishop Sanborn
Examples of moderate sedevacantists (the opinionists, as Bishop Sanborn calls them):  SSPV

So, for instance, the Dimonds claim that anyone who believes that Bergoglio is the pope is by that very fact a heretic.  No allowance made for disagreements regarding the Cajetan vs. Bellarmine positions, or more of a sedeprivationist angle.  Bishop Sanborn is a bit more moderate, but still a dogmatic sedevacantist, since he would hold that people could be excused from formal heresy due to confusion, etc.  But he still holds that the conclusion that the See is vacant is dogmatically certain.

False.  We clearly defined those terms earlier in this thread.

Examples of dogmatic sedevacantists:  Dimond brothers, Bishop Sanborn
Examples of moderate sedevacantists (the opinionists, as Bishop Sanborn calls them):  SSPV

So, for instance, the Dimonds claim that anyone who believes that Bergoglio is the pope is by that very fact a heretic.  No allowance made for disagreements regarding the Cajetan vs. Bellarmine positions, or more of a sedeprivationist angle.  Bishop Sanborn is a bit more moderate, but still a dogmatic sedevacantist, since he would hold that people could be excused from formal heresy due to confusion, etc.  But he still holds that the conclusion that the See is vacant is dogmatically certain.
Again, merely your opinion.