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Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?

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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?
« Reply #195 on: July 17, 2020, 06:32:27 AM »
Quote from: Struthio on July 17, 2020, 01:49:20 AM
Since A.D. 1860 there's the Pontifical Yearbook (Annuario Pontificio) including a list of all legitimate Popes*.

There may have been debates whether some Antipopes should not be called Antipopes in the strict sense of the word. But there never was a serious debate whether there can be more than one reigning bishop of Rome at any time.

*) some say that recent Yearbooks are inaccurate, though
PS.  I apologize for continuing to call the book Annuncio Pontificio in my posts. It should be, as you correctly note, Annuario Pontificio.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?
« Reply #196 on: July 17, 2020, 07:28:19 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on July 17, 2020, 05:05:51 AM
Excommunication does not mean expulsion from the Church.

St. Robert Bellarmine disagrees.
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Offline Argentino

Re: Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?
« Reply #197 on: July 17, 2020, 11:49:35 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 17, 2020, 07:28:19 AM
St. Robert Bellarmine disagrees.
I think it begs the question even talking about excommunications during the so-called Western Schism
If a doubtful pope is no pope, then an excommunication from a doubtful pope is also doubtful, and not considered legitimate.
Which means if nobody was to blame for choosing the wrong pope, then nobody was to blame for ignoring the excommunications.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?
« Reply #198 on: July 17, 2020, 01:07:43 PM »
Quote from: Argentino on July 17, 2020, 11:49:35 AM
I think it begs the question even talking about excommunications during the so-called Western Schism
If a doubtful pope is no pope, then an excommunication from a doubtful pope is also doubtful, and not considered legitimate.
Which means if nobody was to blame for choosing the wrong pope, then nobody was to blame for ignoring the excommunications.

Sure, but I was just speaking about general principles.
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Offline Struthio

Re: Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?
« Reply #199 on: July 17, 2020, 02:28:30 PM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on July 17, 2020, 06:09:33 AM
But in the GWS these claimants were in opposition to true popes. Isn't that the definition of an anti-pope?

I think so.
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