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Sedevacantists:if you were convinced sede-ism was wrong, what would you do next?

Become an R&R Traditionalist
12 (35.3%)
Become an Indult Traditionalist
6 (17.6%)
Become an NO Cath Conservative
9 (26.5%)
Become a very liberal Catholic
1 (2.9%)
Cease to practice Catholicism
6 (17.6%)

Total Members Voted: 28

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Offline Pax Vobis

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I still hold that an ecuмenical council is infallible. 
New Advent disagrees with you.  Your lack of theological distinctions sinks your arguments.

A true council, guided by the Holy Ghost, such as Vatican 1, is not there to deceive, nor to be a legal quagmire of complexity.  We must take an infallible council as the word of God:  "If the pope fulfills x, y, and z, then he is infallible".  
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It is not left to the laity or clerics to "second guess" or to "re-interpret" what the Holy Ghost "left out" or "forgot to say".
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Any opinion or interpretation you have related to the above is of hubris alone.  It's the height of arrogance that you can criticize a doctrine in the way you do.  It is truly schismatic.


If a Council says "if X is greater than Y then X is an A" then that doesn't imply that X is not an A if X is equal or less than Y. Basic logic!

You can't be taken seriously!  :fryingpan: :jester:



Offline Ladislaus

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Trent, Chapter IX, Canon VII --

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If any one shall say, that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs, of which the Catholic Church makes use in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety, rather than offices of piety; let him be anathema.

Offline Ladislaus

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New Advent disagrees with you.  Your lack of theological distinctions sinks your arguments.

No, Pax, his understanding is the correct one.  You have it wrong.  I cited the part of CE which clearly states that an Ecuмenical Council must be considered infallible due to the protection of the Holy Ghost promised to the Church ... even beyond the strict scope of papal infallibility.  You R&R constantly ignore this and believe that the Magistiirum can become thoroughly corrupt and harmful to souls.  While allowance can be made for good faith due to the confusion of the times, this particular articulation of R&R is in fact unquestionably objectively heretical.  You need to stop droning on about the limits of strict infallibility and realize what you're saying, that the Magisterium and Universal Discipline of the Church can defect.

New Advent disagrees with you.  Your lack of theological distinctions sinks your arguments.

Do you want to say that an ecuмenical Council is not a general Council?