Which Church would that be? The conciliar church, or the Catholic Church?

Ah here we go again with the whole "Francis is actually the head of two churches, and I decide which one he's speaking for at any given moment". 

Sad isn’t it?

Pathetic really.

R&R Catholics don't accept sede-vacantism because R&R Catholics intuitively know and their sensus Catholicus rightly informs them that 61-year SVism is heretical; they may not always put forward a theological proof for this, but they know it and they are right. I don't agree with them entirely, but they're right on 99% of things.

The Mother of God has revealed the solution out there, if anyone wants to make the effort to find it. Neither R&R nor SVism. Rather, the Pope was coerced and pressured into doing some things against his will by evil Cardinals like Villot and Benelli. Just like Saintly Sr. Catherine Emmerich saw her vision earlier on, about 2 Popes, a false church of darkness, false ecuмenism without any intention to convert separated Christians back to our Catholic Faith etc, modern mystics were given a vision of what happened in the Vatican in the 70s; they saw the Holy Father grieving and weeping, and being forced and threatened by his Cardinals to sign letters; then put whatever content they liked in it later on; and so on. If only more Catholics believed and knew this, our judgment of things may be different. And we would support and hold to both the Papacy and to Tradition. The worst attack on our Tradition in 2000 years of history coincided with the worst attack on the Vicar of Christ.

Our Lady of Quito already foretold it to us to the letter some 400 years ago: From One Peter Five; "The Sacrament of Holy Orders will be ridiculed, oppressed, and despised, for in this Sacrament, the Church of God and even God Himself is scorned and despised since He is represented in His priests. The Devil will try to persecute the ministers of the Lord in every possible way; he will labor with cruel and subtle astuteness to deviate them from the spirit of their vocation and will corrupt many of them. These depraved priests, who will scandalise the Christian people, will make the hatred of bad Catholics and the enemies of the Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church fall upon all priests.

This apparent triumph of Satan will bring enormous suffering to the good Pastors of the Church, the many good priests, and the Supreme Pastor and Vicar of Christ on earth, who, a prisoner in the Vatican, will shed secret and bitter tears in the presence of his God and Lord, beseeching light, sanctity and perfection for all the clergy of the world, of whom he is King and Father. Further, in these unhappy times, there will be unbridled luxury which will ensnare the rest into sin and conquer innumerable frivolous souls who will be lost. Innocence will almost no longer be found in children, nor modesty in women.

In this supreme moment of need of the Church, the one who should speak will fall silent!” https://onepeterfive.com/400-years-ago-our-lady-sent-us-a-message-from-ecuador/ I won't insist on the point, because I know some sedes mean well, as Our Lady also said; and fell into this error because they could not understand what was going on in the Vatican and how it had come about. But Our Lady already planted the clue to that mystery and the key to its final solution in Quito, Ecuador 400 years ago. I'm not going to debate this topic with brother and sister traditional Catholics, who are trying to remain Faithful in confusing times; and I apologize if I hurt anyone. 

Let us pray togeter for the speedy fulfillment of how Our Lady solemnly promised us the foretold 20th century crisis would end, "In order to free men from bondage to these heresies, those whom the merciful love of My Most Holy Son will destine for that restoration will need great strength of will, constancy, valor and confidence in God. To test this faith and confidence of the just, there will be occasions in which everything will seem to be lost and paralyzed. This will be, then, the happy beginning of the complete restoration ...

Pray insistently without tiring and weep with bitter tears in the secrecy of your heart, imploring our Celestial Father that, for love of the Eucharistic Heart of my Most Holy Son and His Precious Blood shed with such generosity and by the profound bitterness and sufferings of His cruel Passion and Death, He might take pity on His Ministers and quickly bring to an end those ominous times, sending to this Church the Prelate that will restore the spirit of its Priests." God has promised to send us a prophesied Holy Pope, and we know He will.

"Is it really practicing love with regard to God, to celebrate Mass facing the people, as if it were being addressed to the people and not to God? The priests must say their Masses in such a way that they are recognizing that it is uniquely the service of God and the honor of God that are being sought through this Sacrifice. All the rest is only complementary or supplementary; the priests preach far too much about the things of everyday life and about love of neighbor, in general or in particular, forgetting that it is the love of God that leads to the true love of neighbor and the true practice of charity. This manner of action and behavior would, through the practice of self-denial and penance, bring about the salvation of thousands and thousands of souls if people truly set about it. So many souls are falling like snowflakes into Hell, as the privileged souls have so often reminded you.
If the bishops and priests persist in maintaining this disastrous situation, thousands and thousands of churches will no longer be The Church, which situation has begun to happen even now. For thousands and thousands of the faithful, the present-day sermons in the churches are justifications for remaining perfunctory in the service of the Lord; consequently they are instruments of death, since they do not lead directly to Heaven and do not make people think about it.
All this happened because the priest himself has got into careless ways, and no longer lives the first commandment of love for God. Such a one is like an apple with a worm inside it, and he is no longer the guide in the way he ought to be. If the bishops, priests and abbots had lived following the laws determined by the Lord, you would not have this catastrophe that you now see in Rome.

IF IT HAD BEEN LIKE THAT, THE LORD WOULD NOT HAVE TOLERATED THAT SOMEONE OTHER THAN POPE PAUL VI COULD PRETEND TO REIGN IN HIS NAME ...
“All would be completely destroyed - in the Vatican - if it were not for the presence of the true Pope. Yes! If the Pope were not praying, on his knees, day and night, and sending his pleas up to the Lord, by now the Church would have been wrecked - the whole Church would have reached the bottom. But this Holy Father, with his great sanctity, has been installed and predestined so that the Church does not sink.

Your Church would not be The Church any more if Pope Paul VI had not existed. But Pope Paul VI has been predestined for all eternity in the Plan of God, for this age: so that that Church would not be submerged and that one man, the Pope, would know how to carry it. Because his sufferings and his crosses allow him to carry it still. Every day he is living a martyrdom, a great martyrdom. The Pope bears immense sorrows, which no one else among those who are in the Vatican, would be capable of bearing.

And foul mouths have the temerity to attack this very Holy Father! For it is not the Pope who has set the Church in the wrong direction, but the double and his helpers. These wretches do not realize that the sufferings which they have been responsible for in the soul of the Pope, have been the means by which they have donned the boots which are leading them to Hell and condemning them.
It is we (demons - by order of the Most Holy Trinity) who are making known what the Gospel has already repeated several times ... that Hell is a terrible thing. Neither the Gospel, nor all the descriptions which could be given to you, would be able to convey to you the appalling thing which is Hell. And we are the ones who are suggesting to everybody, priests or lay people, that Hell does not exist.”

From: https://www.tldm.org/news4/warningsfrombeyond.3of3.htm And ... The Lord always addresses Himself to the freedom of each individual. Besides, the Bible is there, the Gospel in particular; and also all THE MESSAGES WHICH CONSTANTLY RECALL THE DIRECTIVES WHICH HAVE BEEN DETERMINED BY THE LORD. If people refuse to listen to them, Heaven can do nothing about it, especially if people are amusing themselves by adapting the Gospel to their own taste.

If all these mercies are thrown to the wind, what can Heaven do about it? How will grace be able to act if holy books are no longer read, or books about the Saints, for example the life of Catherine Emmerich, or that of the Cure of Ars, or even that of Padre Pio who has given a great example to our times. Each of these Saints feels the same love for the same sacrifice, in the same self-denials, through love of others. The penance of these Saints has been acceptable to the Most High.

He would be just as prepared to accept still more reparations, still more sacrifices, made for the conversion of souls. The Good God would often love people to be capable of saying to Him: “I accept the sufferings You will send me. Give me the grace to bear them for the conversion of this one or that one.” But on the whole, it must be said that when the Lord sends Sufferings, very often the Christians reject them with horror and with all their strength. Man too often does his best to avoid suffering. It should be up to the priests to live according to this way of seeing things and to preach it to the faithful.

All those who reject suffering and seek only to eliminate it are not living in conformity with the first commandment of God. The best way to conform to the Will of God is to say: “Not my will, but Thine be done!”[37] This uniting oneself to the Agony of Christ would be the best way of honoring the love of God. If suffering was united with acceptance of the Will of God, it would take on a very great value.[38]

Excruciating as certain sufferings may be, by uniting them with those of Christ, they would be the means both of sanctification and of reparation for the sins of others. I am thinking of all the sufferings which are sometimes inherent in the state of marriage and how they are rejected in the hope that one day, perhaps, one will be able to separate from one's partner, and yet, if they are borne, these sufferings would accomplish great reparations. Thousands and thousands of people would be able to suffer thinking of others and these sufferings offered up would not be in vain.

All that is completely forgotten in your Catholic Church of today. Very rarely is it mentioned from the pulpit, and that applies everywhere. The imitation of Jesus Christ and the solicitude for the salvation of one's neighbor are the things that are important. The rest is secondary"

Lad, we debated canonizations before and they are not infallible but only theologically certain (which admits there could be error...and also ALLOWS a critique, if grave reasons exist).  There is absolutely no theological consensus that they are infallible and must be accepted with a certainty of faith, nor under pain of sin, nor requirement to gain heaven.  If anyone wants to call a non-certain, non-binding, non-salvific papal statement "infallible", then go right ahead, but you are butchering the meaning of the word and thus its true meaning is bastardized.

This. Well said Pax.

If anyone looks at the formula used by Bergoglio in his canonizations of Roncalli and Wojtyla, if this isn't infallible, then nothing is ...
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For the honor of the Blessed Trinity, the exaltation of the Catholic faith and the increase of the Christian life, by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul, and own own, after due deliberation and frequent prayer for divine assistance, and having sought the counsel of many of our brother bishops, we declare and define Blessed John XXIII, John Paul II, be saints, and we enroll them among the saints, decreeing that they are to be venerated as such by the whole Church. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen

And what of the text in Red? Certainly you know this is not performed for the honor of the Blessed Trinity or the exaltation of the Catholic faith, certainly not for an increase in the Christian life. 

You cannot deny that there was no due deliberation without the Devil's Advocate and without contrary witness testimony, and if not corrupt, what kind of council would the bishops have given to approve of this mess?

You completely ignore the fact that the criteria set forth in the formula itself have, like all things NO, effectively nullified the formula itself. 

their sensus Catholicus rightly informs them that 61-year SVism is heretical

You're almost worse than the dogmatic sedevacantists in slinging around the word "heretical".  Heresy is a high bar, and the opinions of some theologians (where others disagree) fall far short of having the note dogma.  You have demonstrated your schismatic mentality in other ways, and this is just another indication that you are a schismatic.

You're a bad willed liar, Liarslaus. And you're not only a dogmatic "doubtist" schismatic, but also a faithless Gallican and Ecclesia-Vacantist heretic who denies the dogma on Perpetual Successors to St. Peter. You also stubbornly denied the dogma at Vatican I that there will be shepherds and teachers until the end of time. Bad will. Malice. Lies. False accusations. All to defend schismatic sedevacantism. Schism, by the way, is defined by tradtional authorities as withdrawing from communion with the Pope, and the Bishops and members of the Church subject to him. The both of which you do, beside your many other schismatic practices and behaviors.

Not your ridiculous "sede-doubtist" subjectivist schismatic definitions. You think you can deny objective reality because of your subjective "doubts".  

You are at once an ignoramus and a slanderer.  I am in no sense a Gallican.  Nor am I Ecclesia-Vacantist (since I hold a form of privationism that doesn't labor under such difficulties).  Except that the SVs have thoroughly refuted your pathetic ecclesia-vacantist syllogisms.  You distort the "Perpetual Successors" teaching of Vatican I without making any adequate distinction between the length of vacancy and what the criteria are for the rupture.  You elevate the opinion of some theologians to the point of falsely declaring contrary positions to be "heretical" (which is a schismatic tendency).  You make these slanderous accusations against me based on an assumption that your reasoning is irrefutable ... but your syllogisms are pathetic and have been shredded to pieces by the sedevacantists.

You are just bad-willed schismatic who adheres to the SSPX without sufficient justification.  This response of yours is evidence of the fact that you are fighting against this realization by your conscience.

Plus, the term "doubtism" does not refer to a subjective state of things but the objective reality of the V2 papal claimants adhering to and promoting heresy ... with the doubt referring merely to the disposition of the office they claim to hold, based on the objective disagreement of theologians regarding what happens to a heretical pope.

R&R Catholics don't accept sede-vacantism because R&R Catholics intuitively know and their sensus Catholicus rightly informs them that 61-year SVism is heretical; they may not always put forward a theological proof for this, but they know it and they are right. I don't agree with them entirely, but they're right on 99% of things.

Where do you get the idea that R&R Catholics intuitively know that SVism is heretical? Whom do you include in your assessment of R&R? Sedes have the tendency to be rude, obnoxious, sometimes a bit ruthless in their attempt to push sedeism on everyone else, but most R&R don't consider Sedes to be heretical (I'll probably regret saying this, though).

The Bishops and priests of the Resistance, for example, don't view sedes as being heretical, though of course there is a danger that they will fall into schism if they are not careful. But the idea of SVism being heretical is not actually the position of R&R.