Yeti, to put Matthew's point into practice, related to your last 2 posts...
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The vast majority of sedes believe that point #2, where a V2 pope would convert, is an impossibility because they believe the moment he proclaims heresy that he has lost his office because a heretic is no longer a catholic, being outside the church. This would mean that he could not “convert” and regain his office, as he would have to be re-elected again. So #2 is an impossibility, per the logic of 99% of sedes.
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Point #1 is of Divine intervention and would only seem to be a solution if the other points not be possible. So this can’t be relied upon being that point #3 is still possible.
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You say (in the quoted part above) that sedes believe they “don’t have the power” to elect a new pope? Why not?
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99% of sedes on this board (which corresponds to the the major arguments that I’ve run across in real life too) say that ALL the Cardinals in Rome are heretics. So they have lost their offices and are no longer catholic nor able to elect a pope. This goes also for the Roman clergy, since they also follow V2 and the new mass and are heretics. Thus, all that’s left are the “whole church” to elect a new pope.
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So who makes up the “whole church” remnant? It’s either sedes or the sspx of Tradition. Well, the sspx has accepted V2, generally speaking, and they aren’t really Trads anymore. Same thing for all indulters. Who’s left but the Resistance and the sedes. The Resistance are heretics (at least materially, according to sede logic) because they accept a heretic pope, so the inly group left in the “whole church” who is 100% orthodox is the sede movement. This is point #3. So why haven’t sedes elected a pope? Per point 3, they DO have the power.
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Let's see, I don't think it's quite accurate to say sedes don't accept point 2, though the way they think it could happen is a little complex. I do accept point 2, as I suspect most sedes do, but the way I would explain it is that Bergoglio's current election is invalid, but if he were to repent, he would be accepted by the "whole Church" (of Cajetan), and he would become pope at that point by the method that Cajetan described of a pope being elected by the "whole Church". I'm not sure every sede accepts this, but as far as I can see it checks all the boxes. Actually, my personal belief is that this is the most likely way the papacy and hierarchy will be restored.
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Point #1, divine intervention. I agree that we should not rely on miracles, but first of all this isn't the only solution to this crisis, so we aren't relying on expecting a miracle, but merely holding it out as one possibility of several to have a true pope. The way this could work could be that some miracle could show the whole Church whom God wants to be the pope, and the whole Church could accept him as pope, taking us back again to the "whole Church" electing a pope, as Cajetan said. It is important to stress here that the miracle would not be a new revelation from God about who the pope is (as Bp. Sanborn argued), but would rather be the catalyst for the whole Church to elect a new pope, and the pope's election would be valid based on the whole Church's election and not on the miracle itself.
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"You say (in the quoted part above) that sedes believe they “don’t have the power” to elect a new pope? Why not?".
Sedevacantists don't think they are the only people in the Church (despite what a lot of R&R people on this forum seem to think), and thus do not constitute the whole Church. At this point in history it seems obvious there would have to be some unifying event that would bring together everyone left in the world who believes in the Catholic Faith and accept someone as pope. Until that happens, I don't think the whole Church will be able to elect a pope, and it seems that only God can bring something like that about, though I don't pretend to know.
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(By the way, how do you quote from the same post several times? The browser puts the original quote at the top, but I can't figure out how to insert another quote from another post further down in the middle of my post. That's why I'm using italics instead.)
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"99% of sedes on this board (which corresponds to the the major arguments that I’ve run across in real life too) say that ALL the Cardinals in Rome are heretics. So they have lost their offices and are no longer catholic nor able to elect a pope. This goes also for the Roman clergy, since they also follow V2 and the new mass and are heretics. Thus, all that’s left are the “whole church” to elect a new pope. ".
Well, this certainly appears to be the case. Do you know of any clergy in Rome who still believes in the Catholic Faith? I don't.
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For your last paragraph I will insert my own comments between your sentences, as I can't figure out how to make separate quotes from another post.
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"So who makes up the “whole church” remnant? It’s either sedes or the sspx of Tradition.
[I think it's a lot of people from both those groups, including others. Again, sedes don't think they are the only Catholics in the world, despite the popular straw-man argument on this forum.] Well, the sspx has accepted V2, generally speaking, and they aren’t really Trads anymore.
[False] Same thing for all indulters.
[Mostly false, but to a lesser degree than your previous statement.] Who’s left but the Resistance and the sedes. The Resistance are heretics (at least materially, according to sede logic) because they accept a heretic pope, so the inly group left in the “whole church” who is 100% orthodox is the sede movement. This is point #3. So why haven’t sedes elected a pope? Per point 3, they DO have the power"
[No, they don't believe they have this power, as I have stated already.].
It would sure help a lot in discussing sedevacantism if people would just ask sedes what they believe instead of extrapolating their own analyses of the various errors they think sedes are logically committed to believing, and then assuming sedes believe those errors. There are numerous sedes on this forum who are happy and friendly and would love to explain what we believe to anyone who wants to ask. Try that first!